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To: FtrPilot; SpeedyInTexas

In an artillery war, the best (and sometimes only) way to kill artillery is counter-battery fire. The counter-battery kills are difficult to confirm.
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But the reputation that the ukes and their western weapons now have is for accurate counter battery. basically the drones or other devices find the coordinates for whatever and communicate those directly to the artillery piece. or in a slower routine —the coordinates are sent to a third party which then gives the coordinates to the artillery piece.

either way a couple rounds should take out the artillery piece.

Then they move on to the next artillery piece.

Even with the slower rate of uke artillery fire —the ukes should be taking out whole sections of the russian artillery for portions of the front.

But that does not appear to be happening.

Instead we have this static front war. the two sides fire continuously at each other but nothing much changes.

Can russian artillery fire on uke positions without itself coming under uke guns? I think not. But maybe you all know better.


45 posted on 12/01/2022 2:46:27 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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46 posted on 12/01/2022 3:23:21 PM PST by SpeedyInTexas (RuZZia is the enemy of all mankind)
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To: ckilmer; SpeedyInTexas; BeauBo
But the reputation that the ukes and their western weapons now have is for accurate counter battery. basically the drones or other devices find the coordinates for whatever and communicate those directly to the artillery piece. or in a slower routine —the coordinates are sent to a third party which then gives the coordinates to the artillery piece.

This is basically correct.

The accuracy of the GPS coordinates given to the counter battery artillery piece determines the accuracy of the shot.

In the current battlefield situation, the drones that are providing surveillance and video, including Mavic 3s (picture below), provide highly accurate GPS coordinates. However they don't have the range to fly to where the Russian artillery would be located.

Most of the videos of "One shot One Kill" show armored vehicles or buildings being destroyed.

The counter battery radars simply do not have the accuracy of the drones. A 50 foot error in GPS coordinates could produce a miss, and without real-time surveillance, there is no way to correct. In that situation, the counter-battery would lay down a "pattern".

I believe most of the UKR counter battery is being performed by HIMARs rockets or "guided" ER shells like Excalibur.

Terminal guidance will ensure "One shot one kill".

Even with the slower rate of uke artillery fire —the ukes should be taking out whole sections of the russian artillery for portions of the front.

But that does not appear to be happening.

It's not happening because of "shoot & scoot".

Can russian artillery fire on uke positions without itself coming under uke guns?

That's the $64,000 question.

UKR does not have enough HIMARs to cover the entire front.

ckilmer...thanks for your post.

BeauBo...please expand or correct anything I have said. Send more artillery!

48 posted on 12/02/2022 7:51:42 AM PST by FtrPilot
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