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It Was Never About Ukraine
New Kontinent ^ | 11/24/22 | Ted Snider

Posted on 11/26/2022 6:35:23 AM PST by JonPreston

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To: JonPreston
Excellent points, Bob. Russia has blunted NATO expansion,


41 posted on 11/26/2022 7:48:20 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: JonPreston

As Baker said in ‘91, “not one inch east of the Uke/ Russian border”.


42 posted on 11/26/2022 7:49:23 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: tlozo
We all get it, you are an ardent supporter of Global Homogenizaion, aka Globo Home.

Fly your LGBTQ+ Pride Flag proudly!


43 posted on 11/26/2022 7:51:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JonPreston
It Was Never About Ukraine

The treatment of the Ukraine under recent democrat administrations (Clinton/Obama/Biden) has always been about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

The more recent sending of billions of US dollars to Ukraine are dollars that are virtually unauditable.

"The financial support America provides to Ukraine looks very much “like money laundering schemes,” Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) has told ‘The Truth With Lisa Boothe’ podcast on Monday. The money supposedly destined for Ukrainians ends up in the pockets of “non-profits and NGOs” that are often run by people close to the politicians in Washington, Greene has claimed.

“They want to get $40 billion to Ukraine and you have these $40 billion on top of the money that have already been given. That brings it to $53 billion. That is over two thirds of the State Department’s entire budget for the year,” the congresswoman said, referring to the latest aid package that is currently going through the US Senate.

According to Greene, the US officials are doing this to eventually fund the NGOs operated by “their families and friends.” “It is basically like money laundering schemes,” she said.

44 posted on 11/26/2022 7:52:20 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JonPreston
George Soros funded a “color revolution” that took over Ukraine and installed an actor leader of Ukraine. Russia came in to destroy illegal bios weapons labs and rescue captive Russians.
45 posted on 11/26/2022 7:52:48 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: JonPreston

ping


46 posted on 11/26/2022 8:03:49 AM PST by Bratch
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To: EEGator

China is in deep doo doo economically
and admired by the left, Rinos and WEF.


47 posted on 11/26/2022 8:06:08 AM PST by cp124 (80% of everything is fake or a lie.)
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To: Travis McGee
Kind of funny, we have more censorship here and in Europe, than Russians do.

Its moronic to state we have more censorship. Level of russian censorship is insane. For instance, russian propagandists admit they cannot comment on Kherson withdrawal, as either supporting or disagreeing with it can get them jail time.

Andrey Norkin is a presenter for the state-owned channel NTV, and has been a vocal supporter of Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine since the start of the war in February.

But in a 70-second clip from the November 10 edition of his TV programme ‘Meeting Point’, (‘Mesto Vstrechi’ in Russian), a nervous-looking Norkin can be seen explaining how under Russian law, any position he takes on the Kremlin’s retreat from Kherson would see him imprisoned for ‘several years’.

‘But I’ll explain why. If I support the decision and say that the Defence Minister is acting correctly by leaving Kherson, then I’m publicly calling for Russia’s territorial integrity to be violated.’

This is because Putin officially proclaimed the Kherson region to be part of Russia in an internationally condemned annexation move just weeks ago.

Norkin explained: ‘In our Criminal Code that’s Article 280 Part 1. I specially checked this morning. Several years in prison.

‘And if I don’t support the decision and think that the Defence Ministry has done the wrong thing by leaving Kherson, then I’m publicly discrediting the Armed Forces, which is also Article 280, but Part 3, with approximately the same jail term.

‘I don’t want to go to prison. So now we’ll watch a report and then I will hand over to our dear experts.’

Russian TV Host-I Don't Want To Go To Jail

48 posted on 11/26/2022 8:07:51 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: WMarshal

You fault JonPreston for his news source when you constantly quote left wing articles from Rickey tabloids?


No I do not - you have me mixed up with some one else, Pootie Poot troll. One troll covering for another ... both hoping to come up smelling like roses, instead of the usual BS smell.


49 posted on 11/26/2022 8:09:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: mountainlion
Russia came in to destroy illegal bios weapons labs and rescue captive Russians.

You forgot Putin's newest talking point-satanists


50 posted on 11/26/2022 8:10:56 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Travis McGee

I think this is one of the most significant AND TELLING excerpts from the ZeroHedge article. Initially most experts believed Russia would stop at the Dnieper. NATO’s escalations appear to have changed Russia’s initial plan.

In an extensive July interview, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov let the cat – diplomatically – out of the bag:

“This process continues, consistently and persistently. It will continue as long as the West, in its impotent rage, desperate to aggravate the situation as much as possible, continues to flood Ukraine with more and more long-range weapons. Take the HIMARS. Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov boasts that they have already received 300-kilometre ammunition. This means our geographic objectives will move even further from the current line. We cannot allow the part of Ukraine that Vladimir Zelensky, or whoever replaces him, will control to have weapons that pose a direct threat to our territory or to the republics that have declared their independence and want to determine their own future.”

More recent war analysis suggests Kiev may be on the menu.


51 posted on 11/26/2022 8:23:56 AM PST by Cathi
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To: canuck_conservative

Only those losing debates attack the source rather than address and try to refute the points made by a source. You just proved you can’t refute the points made, not surprising in the least in your case.


52 posted on 11/26/2022 8:25:16 AM PST by Kazan
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To: JonPreston

“I think the battle is about Russian aggressiveness and resources. This isn’t the first time Russia has invaded a neighbor and annexed land. Remember Georgia, Chechnya?”

“Remember Georgia, Chechnya?”

Considering that Russia took Chechnya about 300 years ago, this guy must have found the Fountain of Youth.

(I sometimes wonder if some people here are actually trying to make the Neocons look bad...by making themselves look stupid)


53 posted on 11/26/2022 8:26:00 AM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 24 degrees)
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To: All

Interesting to see the lights come on for some Ukrainians.

https://t.me/i20028843

💥Remember Nadezhda Savchenko, a Ukrainian pilot who served time in a Russian prison for the murder of Russian journalists in 2014? In Ukraine, she became a hero of Ucraine and a Rada deputy. Here is what she writes in their social networks. Khohols, prick up your ears.💥💥💥

with Nadezhda Savchenko
Yesterday at 10:10
It is humiliating for Ukrainians to realize
that they have been used. That’s why they get
angry. And it also infuriates the Ukrainians
that the Russians do not hate them. Pity,
someone has charity, someone has misunderstanding.
This is how they usually look at a crap
drunk who fell asleep in his sh*t. And when
he wakes up, he will start blaming the
neighbors for getting him drunk and robbed.


54 posted on 11/26/2022 8:46:25 AM PST by Cathi
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To: JonPreston

Yes China benefits, but the Chi Coms have to watch their back with their own folks. They might over calculate should they invade Taiwan.


55 posted on 11/26/2022 9:01:10 AM PST by kenmcg (t)
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To: JonPreston

It’s about Ukraine joining the E.U. Because Ukraine needs foreign investment in it’s infrastructure, that won’t happen without it also joining NATO so that such investment isn’t wasted when the inevitable war came. There is also the issue of Ukrainian corruption, but when the Ukrainian elites have an incentive to reduce that corruption so that roads get improved and maintained, it will be greatly reduced. Ultimately, it is also about reducing Russia’s sphere of influence. Zbigniew Brzezinski said that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire.


56 posted on 11/26/2022 9:13:42 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: JonPreston

Something I liked about the pre-February world was precisely a Russia that stood outside the globalist system, and having a band of countries who were outside the system but not dominated by Moscow either.

It wasn’t perfect, but that’s what we had. Ukraine certainly aspired to join itself to the west, that’s where they see their future. But both EU and NATO have resisted bringing them in, for a couple of reasons. EU didn’t want to see its center of gravity shift further east. They already have a problem with Poland and Hungary resisting orders from Brussels, and from Berlin’s point of view adding Ukraine to the mix would have meant losing further control.

NATO didn’t want a confrontation with Moscow. Particularly, Berlin and Paris. Their position has been that they could not accept Ukraine while they were embroiled in an active conflict, which is understandable.

Moscow had done a good job in making Europe dependent on its oil and gas, but it goes further than that. The Germans were seeing its relations with Russia as an important opportunity and a counterweight to US power.

Hence Trump’s challenge. If Russia is a threat, why are you making yourselves dependent on them? And if they are not a threat, why do we still need NATO?

Trump himself hoped to enlist Russia as an ally or counterweight against Iran and China, which is partly what made him so dangerous to the globalists. He saw the CCP and the globalists as the greater threat. CCP and what we call the globalists don’t have identical interests, but they have overlapping interests that make them allies.

So far from being a big boogie man, NATO had atrophied and was becoming irrelevant. Western Europe was partnering with Russia and didn’t see them as a threat. The eastern members most certainly feared Russia, but it was becoming doubtful if NATO was any protection. Would Germans really fight to defend Estonians? Was their army even capable if they wanted to? Doubtful.

So prior to February, Putin was really in the catbird seat. He already had secured his place as one of the best Russian leaders in history. So why did he throw it all away? Simple. He saw the chance to return Ukraine to the fold. Russians don’t see Ukraine as a foreign country, and to them it’s independent status is a historical mistake.

The debacle in Kabul told him that Biden would not interfere. The government in Kiev was weak and completely dependent on help from the US that would not be forthcoming. Most Ukrainians were Russian speakers who would not resist, and might even welcome a Russian intervention. And he had faith that a large Russian force would simply overwhelm the Ukrainians and its leadership would flee.

That it didn’t go as planned surprised everyone, including the Ukrainians.

Everything has backfired. He has strengthened Ukrainian identity. He has resurrected NATO, at least temporarily. He has driven a permanent wedge between Ukraine and Russia. He has thrown his legacy away. While he had compromised most western politicians, they were also owned by CCP, and they have been forced to choose.

If this was just a war between Moscow and Davos, as Russia’s defenders paint it, you get to choose between gangsters in Moscow versus gangsters in DC. But the Ukrainians themselves have their own agenda. It doesn’t include rule from Moscow, and they are willing to fight to stay out from under them. And despite everything, they think they can win.

They no doubt are having to bribe the gangsters in DC to keep the supply lines open.

It’s a complicated world. The invasion has not made it better. A year from now we will probably have Prigozhin in the Kremlin and Newsom in the White House.


57 posted on 11/26/2022 9:29:38 AM PST by marron
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To: exPBRrat
This is the punishment the Globalists have inflicted on Russia for denying their designs for a one world government and becoming a de facto Christian nation.

This has WEF and Soros fingerprints all over it.

58 posted on 11/26/2022 10:05:35 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: exPBRrat
This is the punishment the Globalists have inflicted on Russia for denying their designs for a one world government and becoming a de facto Christian nation.

Agree.

59 posted on 11/26/2022 10:16:36 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JonPreston

I’m sure there have been corrupt deals made.
I mean Brandon was all in.
But thankful..none the less..we didn’t get suckered into a full scale war.
I suppose there is still time.


60 posted on 11/26/2022 10:24:49 AM PST by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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