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To: karpov
Intelligence is a very complex subject (such that reducing it to simple measures like an IQ # is a comical over-simplification). But let me just point this out: In essence the critics are claiming that we must believe that genes play no role whatsoever in intelligence. How can we consider that to be remotely plausible?

Acknowledging that genes surely play variable roles in various aspects of intelligence does not lead (as critics assume) automatically to a crassly racist viewpoint. It strikes me as likely that some ethnic groups may do a little better than others in one aspect of intelligence, and worse in others.

And even if one group scores lower, since when should we value a person simply based on some measure of their intelligence? I've been blessed to know some people with Down's syndrome that I subjectively value more than many an academic I've known. In any event, the old evolutionary racist notion that blacks and other non-whites were little advanced from monkeys is no longer accepted by any sane person; no one blinks at the thought that a person from Tasmania or Patagonia or Congo could be a perfectly competent rocket scientist or surgeon if circumstances permit. The differences across the human race are minor.

4 posted on 11/03/2022 12:20:19 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“The differences across the human race are minor.”

“Minor” or not, those differences are enough to freak out a lot of people.

Just one data point on SAT scores in the United States.

Scores above 1400:

24% of Asians
7% of Whites
2% of Hispanics
1% of Blacks

You can argue all day about heredity vs environment, but even if heredity was responsible for a small portion of the difference the left’s brains would explode.


6 posted on 11/03/2022 12:24:17 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970
I tend to agree with you. I do not see any racial group any smarter or dumber than any other racial group. Over the years, I look at guys like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, and others, as brillant individuals. Take Ben Carson. Is he any smarter than the kids he grew up with?

I think environment plays a huge role, as well as family. Mostly, I think the subject is a huge Gordian knot waiting for an Alexander weilding a sword.

16 posted on 11/03/2022 2:23:16 PM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

I believe that both play a part.

Genetics is the foundation. Environment is the house.

An otherwise brilliant child can have their cognitive development impaired by improper nutrition, neglect, lack of resources, medical issues, crappy schools, etc. They may ultimately escape these horrific circumstances but their chances of reaching maximum potential are nonetheless hobbled.

Conversely, a brilliant child who is raised in a healthy, nurturing environment with resources, good food, attentive parents, good schools, etc. can excel.

My father was a member of Mensa. All of my children have high IQs. All 3 have some form of Asbergers, like me. Thankfully, my husband and I were in a position to put them into great schools, supplement their learning, encourage their growth, and prepare them for the future.

My oldest went to regional and state competitions for academic excellence.
My youngest child does not score well on standardized tests, but can build servers, write code, draft white papers, and hacked the science lab portal in the 4th grade. They had to test him using a different methodology because his mind processes information in an atypical fashion. His average is 100.4 across his report card, but he will probably bomb on the SATs.


18 posted on 11/03/2022 7:11:04 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....!)
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