The Gaslighting of the Masses

https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-gaslighting-of-the-masses ^ | October 16, 2022 | CJ Hopkins

[Travis McGee]

Please put on your open-minded analogy glasses, and please, respectfully, answer this sincere question, which is respectfully asked.

If America goes into a deep depression...let's say that even maybe some states or regions break away from Washington's control. (Alaska, Hawaii, the SW, for example.)

America is so broke, govt. salaries and pensions are not paid, hunger is widespread, we can barely keep our cities from burning in riots, we can't even afford to send our Navy out from the docks. (Hint: Post-USSR Russia during the 1990s.)

During this period of collapse, Communist China moves up from South America toward Mexico, signing treaties with country after country.

As America crawls out of the abyss of economic collapse, anarchy and near civil war, China is ultimately poised to sign treaties with Canada and Mexico.

Under Article V of CATO, "an attack on one is an attack on all," so once Canada and Mexico sign, and the close-range nuclear missiles are installed, a finally-recovering USA will be able to do nothing to either brand-new "CATO" treaty country without triggering immediate nuclear missile launches from both our northern and southern borders, as well as from Communist China and every other CATO treaty nation.

So, open-mind hat on, Megan, please answer me this. No obfuscation, just yes or no:

You would be satisfied with Communist Chinese troops, tanks and nuclear missiles on our borders, because they freely signed treaties with Communist China to do so?

Yes, or no.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks. Please see above.

[MeganC]

1. This Canada-Mexico trope is a recurring theme among the pro-Russia crowd. You included.
2. Why not say Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and El Salvador since they’re already aligned with China and Russia?
3. Because that’s where the trope falls apart. In reality China and Russia have no sincere allies in the Americas because no one trusts China or Russia.

It’s nothing I need to worry about.

But Russia wanting to reserve the right to re-enslave Eastern Europe? Hell no! Screw Russia.

[Travis McGee]

“1. This Canada-Mexico trope is a recurring theme among the pro-Russia crowd. You included.”

So, your answer: “I’m close-minded. America is special and different. There are no analogies to America.”

Thanks.

[MeganC]

No, your analogy is flawed.

[Travis McGee]

>> "But Russia wanting to reserve the right to re-enslave Eastern Europe? Hell no! Screw Russia." <<

Yeah, just look at that map. Russia is right on the verge of re-enslaving Eastern Europe. Right on the verge.

Global nuclear war is totally worth it, to prevent the 273rd border shift in "The Ukraine," (translates as "The Borderland,") which was never in history a sovereign nation before 1991.

Totally worth global nuclear war. Totally.

Incinerating 100 or more major cities is totally worth keeping the Russians out of the Russian Donbass.

Makes perfect sense.

[MeganC]

If China and Russia were free countries and the USA looked the way it does in your books then I’d welcome them.

But they are not free countries and I oppose them here and on their own borders too. If they don’t like it then too bad.

[MeganC]

Nuclear threats might impress you but they piss me off. People who make threats piss me off.

[metmom]

I agree And that’s why I post the link on occasion.

I realize that not all people read all the threads so they might miss it.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

In reality China and Russia have no sincere allies in the Americas because no one trusts China or Russia.

@MeganC: I don't trust China and Russia. Do you trust the Biden gang and the "J6 committee?"

[Red6]

I remember those times.

Today we want to rewrite history and pretend that is not the case by excluding key events, speeches, and even literal agreements we broke or withdrew from, then taking other speeches out of context etc...

Total junk that appeals to ignorance. Those that have no first hand knowledge (you didn’t need to be part of the administration of the time, it was all over the news) i.e. young and grew up outside Europe or who were entirely disinterested at the time can be told anything.

The digital age lends itself to have webpages edited, articles deleted, searches ranked a certain way, and today most of the video you see, audio you hear, and even news you read is digital.

I truly believe you can tell people that they are purple dragons, and if you tell them enough times, have an expert in a white lab coat claim science says it’s so, and have some artist draw his interpretation of our purple dragon forefathers, folks would believe it. The other part of the equation is that folks are not taught to think. Fallacies don’t raise an alarm nor do inconsistency and so called “critical thinking” is no more than attacking white heterosexual christian males historical or present, and that’s it (academia and media).

Yes, in such a word the idea of God is absurd, but aliens having seeded earth is very serious and even with folks trying to explain this scientificly: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-the-aliens/

We talk a lot about “following the science” in America, what ever happened to XX and XY?

So in short, you can convince the public of literally anything, including how Russia is this huge threat even though they factually have a military less than 1/2 our size. We can convince folks how Russia is on some conquest, even though it is us that are encroaching in their areas. You can convince folks of the virtue in a war PURELY based on economic interests for us - there is ZERO national security argument to make. You can convince folks that one side is better than the other, even though they are damn near indistinguishable, both are at fault when it comes to han rights violations etc. And here’s the best of them all, this one is over the top - you can convince folks in the US that arming Nazi wackjobs in the Ukraine like the Azov units and training them in guerrilla warfare is a good idea. Yes, US tax dollars for Nazis is a good idea today - you can’t make that up!

[Red6]

I get what your doing. Your turning the table around. I’ve tried that. Folks don’t care. In today’s world you can be inconsistent and that doesn’t raise a concern if anything is wrong. Realize, ethics teach you that everything is situational dependent, so you don’t need to be consistent anymore.

That said. Let’s get specific:

-Ukraine is huge and has vast forested areas. Easy to hide things.

-They have many huge runways able to support strategic lift and bombers.

-There are many wide hardball roads connecting Ukraine and Russia and there are huge maneuver corridors where you can stuff a mechanized force through.

-The rail gauge in Russia and Ukraine are the same.

-Ukraine is for a hypersonic missile about a 5 minute time of flight to Moscow, giving Russia nearly no reaction time.

-Since we withdraw from the ballistic missile treaty we have been working on missile defense (an idea I support), but this has huge implications for Russia’s deterrant nuclear forces mostly based in the West. Basically if Ukraine is in NATO, Russian nuclear forces are at a huge disadvantage.

-Ukraine has ports in the south and direct land access to other NATO nations such as Poland and Romania, logistics is easy.

If this were a strategy board game and anyone were in Russia’s shoes, you would not accept what we’re asking for and attack. It’s unacceptable from the Russian position and unless they are willing to stick their ass in the air and let us do whatever we want, a fight was going to happen once we pushed that NATO button in October 2021 for Ukraine.

We put Russia in a position where they had the option to bow down to us or go to war. That’s not really a nice guy move. That’s the sort of stuff history is full of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I

[MeganC]

I trust the USA. Unlike some people around here my love for my country is not conditional on who’s in the White House.

[MeganC]

Russia’s position is irrelevant when it comes to the sovereignty of free people. What the people of Eastern Europe, Finland, Sweden, and etc. Choose to do is up to them.

Moscow cannot be allowed to dictate to other countries. That crap went on for eighty years and that was too much.

[Red6]

Sovereignty, what a nice feel good imaginary argument.

Of course what Russia thinks matters, just like what we think matters and we didn’t let Cuba base Soviet missiles in the cold war (Cuban Missile Crisis), we invaded Grenada (Soviets were building a runway there to support bombers)... We overthrew the government in Nicuragua TWICE because they became to cozy with the soviets in the Cold War. And none of those countries have a direct land border with us!

If my knuckles hit your nose and I talk about freedom, does that work? Same concept: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/15/liberty-fist-nose/ Where you start to impact others, terms like sovereignty or freedom are limited and you see this around the world all the times: rivers that cross multiple countries, water ways, etc.

Dumb argument, but it sounds good, at least superficialy.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

I trust the principles of the Constitution and want the USA to be strong and prosperous, but Merrick Garland, Biden, Milley, Mayorkas, and Lloyd Austin are busy trying to further weaken both. Note that Putin did not invade Ukraine until Biden took over.

[Sirius Lee]

I trust the USA.

Do you trust the FBI?

[central_va]

I trust the USA.

I trust normal Americans, I sort of trust state governments. The Fedreral govt. is corrupt and unworthy of any trust WHATS-SO-EVER. You can HATE FedGov and stil love your state and countrymen.

[Red6]

I’m posting with intermittent internet and writing on a phone, not my best writing.

I’m in Mexico where you can buy Russian goods and services, even on Amazon and in Walmart. You know, those air tight sanctions that are bringing Russia down to its knees. Want pictures? Hahaha

Russia isn’t some twerp we can bully around at will. They are weaker than us in every way: GDP, military, industry, critical technology, population, even resources if you look at who controls what world wide. They will suffer more than us. BUT they are still big enough to push back, they can touch us.

We gambled and lost.

Now Ukraine is screwed.

Political goals will NOT be achieved NATO membership (the cause of this war) or EU (which was in reach before the war).

Ukraine is a basket case where the economy shrunk -14% 2021 and that with the US and EU propping them up with aid in the tune of 1/3 of their entire pre war GDP. There will be no fast nor complete bounce back as after 2014.

They lost 20% of their landmass and population, a major port city and industrial area. The Russians have literally achieved near all their military goals (which was to take the ethnic Russian areas).

And we’re talking about a Russian defeat and Ukraine victory?!?!?

Our victory in Ukraine is about as funny as the US with a senile President that forgets the names of his staff, shits his pants or let’s one rip right in front of folks, can’t remember that who he’s addressing is deceased, can’t find his way off stage or read from a prompter anymore and occasionally goes into incoherent ramblings talking about the mental issues of Putin. This is funny stuff!!!

But wait, there’s more. After Russia consolidates and cleans up what they have (they’re not going to keep pushing with a massive insurgent force we build behind their lines), I would not want to be living in Odessa. Ukraine is going to become landlocked eventually I suspect. And I’m sure we’ll still talk about some great victory for our side. Hahaha

An objective measurable reality doesn’t exist anymore.

The only real question is how many thousands more of Ukrainians will die fighting in a war we started, that was entirely avoidable, predictable, where our motivation was economic and our enemy had the just war/cause argument, and even the outcome was predictable?

Time to negotiate. But a Machiavellian Biden won’t do that. He’ll burn through thousands more until he’s eventually forced to back off as Congress flips the other way soon. Once the money spigot starts to close, the negotiations will start.

[Red6]

Once Congress changes/flips, the sovereign Mr Z who we installed, will get told by the US to negotiate and do as told.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video (we had a huge hand in the Ukraine and who rises to the top politically)

The sovereign Ukraine has a leader we sort of chose for them, who does exactly what we tell him to do...

Tell me, what does the word “sovereignty” mean to you?