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To: ransomnote

But, they are going to take as many of their own citizens with them as possible - they treat Ukrainians like door stops and cannon fodder.”

I see the opposite. Many Ukrainians serve as volunteers still.

My best understanding:
Until round year 2015 or so, Ukraine had a military only in a very theoretical sense. And while they were keeping the Russians, who had been expecting a very quick march into Ukraine, at check, Ukraine successfully founded a de facto functional army.

Although theoretically Ukraine had just gotten their pre-existing army up and running. But, realistically Ukraine had to build their military from scratch.

Since around the year 2016 or so, the Ukrainian army has been in the position to handle a reasonable amount of the fighting on its eastern front. Around 2019 and 2020, the Ukrainian army has at last been really in control of the Ukrainian territory.

So theoretically, Ukraine had an army since it became independent in 1991. Now, its current army was de facto created between 2014 and 2019. Less than two years ago, Ukraine’s army now is at last fully functional.


5 posted on 10/07/2022 7:14:37 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Now, its current army was de facto created between 2014 and 2019. Less than two years ago, Ukraine’s army now is at last fully functional.

Same time Nuland’s State Dept and the CIA toppled the elected government in Ukraine in a color revolution.


17 posted on 10/07/2022 8:06:52 PM PDT by Flick Lives (FJB and the corrupt FBI)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

This is where the Deep State took control of their Ukrainian satellite for bioterrorism labs:

“Until round year 2015 or so, Ukraine had a military only in a very theoretical sense. And while they were keeping the Russians, who had been expecting a very quick march into Ukraine, at check, Ukraine successfully founded a de facto functional army.”


32 posted on 10/07/2022 8:49:52 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Although theoretically Ukraine had just gotten their pre-existing army up and running. But, realistically Ukraine had to build their military from scratch.

Ukraine inherited Soviet military bases intended to defend and/or project force on its Western border. It's borders with Russia were not well defended, and Russia took full advantage of that. Now, things are changing.
47 posted on 10/07/2022 10:10:48 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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