Will Russia Lose the War in Ukraine?

Quora: Truth About Russia ^ | 08/08/2022 | Quintin Van Zyl

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I’m quoting the director of the CIA. Maybe you wish to address that

Well that's easy: the red line was never crossed as Ukraine is not a member of NATO, nor was any such membership imminent or even possible due to the ongoing war in the Donbass.

But the Director was wrong anyway since, if that line had actually been crossed, Russia would have done absolutely nothing, just like it's doing nothing about Finland and Sweden. Or how it did nothing about Estonia, Lithuania, etc.

[EEGator]

That’s a lie.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus

[Brellium]

India and China will buy Russian gas/oil at a heavy discount. The Russians can’t afford to cut off supply to zero either since they have nothing else to export other than vodka and crime.

They don't even export Vodka, if we wanted Russian Vodka all we need to do is cut Seagram's with anti-freeze. Everyone knows the best Vodka comes from Poland not Russia.

The only export Russia has other than gas/oil is war crimes.

[Kazan]

lol...How can Russia possibly lose the war? Has whoever wrote this looked at a map of Ukraine? The Russians gain/liberate more and more territory DAILY. The Russians will control everything east of the Dnieper river and the entire Black Sea coastline. That area comprised 80% of Ukraine's GDP.

These delusional spins are just a way of the Biden regime and "liberal world order" to try to save face in the only aspect of the war they can control -- the western media.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“That’s a lie!”

Woah, what impressive numbers! Definitely a power house economy. They’re almost as high as Italy!

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ita

[MalPearce]

I think it could ho either way but the question “whose interests are served by dragging it out” the view of the ordinary Ukrainian ans and Russian Ukrainian joes matter.

The former heard Russian broadcasts before and during the first few weeks that assured them that the mission was about Nazis in Donbas - but then Russia shelled Lviv and other places nowhere near the Donbas.

They then heard Russian Duma lunatics on Russian television talking about 2 generations of punishment of Ukrainians, and 5-15% population reduction to maintain order. That’s basically saying Russia has priced in 6 million civilian casualties and a brutal totalitarian occupation lasting at least twenty years.

So their conclusion is, if winning the war costs a million lives, and forces 8 million Ukrainian people into refugee camps for the duration of the conflict, as bad as that is it’s still better FOR THEM than losing to Russia.

They don’t care how butthurt the West might be about higher gas prices and whatnot. It’s an existential crisis from their point of view. They remember Holodomor. Many would rather die in battle than go through that level of oppression.

The Russian Ukrainian perspective is even more complicated. I know many Russians from Donbas and Zaporozhia who were on Russia’s side in 2014, were on the fence when Zelenskyy got elected, admit Z actually did a lot to secure the arnistice... and are now fully on Ukraine’s side.

A big factor is, they’re the ones who would’ve welcomed a bloodless Russian takeover 3 years ago but now have no town or city to go home to BECAUSE THE SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION HAS DESTROYED THE REGION.

They don’t blame Ukraine for destroying it. They blame Russian separatists, Wagner, Chechens, eastern Russian conscripts, and careerists like the Kremlin installed mutt in Kherson who was such a scumbag before the invasion that he was despised by the Russkies. He couldn’t even get 10% of the popular vote FROM ETHNIC RUSSIANS. But the Kremlin installed him anyway.

So they just do a hollow laugh at the idea Russian collaborators are on their side.

[EEGator]

Don’t misquote me. I didn’t use any exclamation point.
Second, it’s still a lie.

[FreshPrince]

“despite constant promises and predictions of the imminent defeat of Ukraine by Russian propagandists since day 1.”

Yes indeed. Witnessed here on a daily basis. Youd think after a while when “immenient” isnt so “immenient” after all they would be embarressed to keep on saying it. I guess the pay is too good....

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Don’t misquote me. I’m a pedantic idiot who took ‘they only export vodka’ literally and tried to pretend Russia has an impressive economy.”

Okay I won’t Putinist.

[EEGator]

You’re a coward.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“You’re a coward”

That’s right, only EEGator the internet troll is the master of Bushido, the way of the Samurai of internet commando war fighting.

[lakecumberlandvet]

No clear winners. Just a clear loser; the United States.

[pburgh01]

This war was over the day they invaded. Russia is and will lose this. Some of you are deluded and the others who think Russia will win would have been out in the town square in Munich waving your swastika flags in 1933.

[laplata]

India and China have already been buying Russian gas/oil.

India has turned around and sold it back to various countries in Europe and a huge profit.

[kabar]

Germans are notoriously anti-American and Pro-Russia.

The US and the UK are pushing the continuation of the war while France and Germany want a negotiated solution sooner rather than later.

Turkey and Hungary are ignoring the sanctions against Russia. Turkey is scheduling its second buy of the Russian S-400 air defense system. NATO/EU solidarity is already cracking. As winter descends on Europe, the high price of energy will bite hard not only on the people, but also the economy. UK is already in a recession. Macron is placing price caps on energy.

Energy prices in Germany are going thru the roof. Germany is the engine of the European economy.

How long will the US consumer be willing to suffer the pain of the Ukraine War? Will Biden extend the million bbls a day from the SPR beyond September?

Most of the world is not participating in the sanctions against Russia. Our mindless declaration of economic war against Russia and a return to the Cold War have far-reaching consequences that will result in a global political realignment and the destruction of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. NB: For the first time in three years President Xi will leave China on a foreign trip. Destination: Saudi Arabia.

[kabar]

Agreed. Reminder: Russia and Ukraine share a 1,500 mile border. That is a given. Ukraine must establish a modus vivendi with Russia. Not a choice.

[es345st]

Will Russia Lose the War in Ukraine?”

No. Next question.

[lakecumberlandvet]

Did you even read my post?

[kabar]

Define winning as far as Ukraine and Russia are concerned. What would it look like for both?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: No. Next question.

Here’s the follow up question : why no?