[BeauBo]

“That averages out to 150K shells a day (Germany in WWII). 1/3 of that doesn’t seem like much of a stretch for a 21st century economy”

But that was for an army of millions. The Russian forces in the Ukraine are more like 150K.

A Battalion Tactical Group has six howitzers. They have about 40 BTGs that were actively engaged in the Donbas - about 240 tubes. Every one would have to fire a couple of hundred rounds per day for them to fire 50,000 in a day. The barrels would need to be replaced about every other week.

I just doubt that they are are sustaining that rate of fire, for maintenance, as well as supply reasons, as well as personnel reasons. That would be humping ten tons of shells every day, for every gun crew.

I could see them possibly peaking for a particular operation, but not coordinating hundreds of crews doing that every day.

[Zhang Fei]

[But that was for an army of millions. The Russian forces in the Ukraine are more like 150K.

A Battalion Tactical Group has six howitzers. They have about 40 BTGs that were actively engaged in the Donbas - about 240 tubes. Every one would have to fire a couple of hundred rounds per day for them to fire 50,000 in a day. The barrels would need to be replaced about every other week.

I just doubt that they are are sustaining that rate of fire, for maintenance, as well as supply reasons, as well as personnel reasons. That would be humping ten tons of shells every day, for every gun crew.

I could see them possibly peaking for a particular operation, but not coordinating hundreds of crews doing that every day.]

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Maybe the Ukrainians are sandbagging so they can get more stuff faster. But I wonder about the stories of 10-1 fire superiority. It’s undeniable that the Ukrainians have given ground, with a couple of cities lost over a couple of months.

[familyop]

The Russians have paused somewhat while continuing some attacks on civilian targets in various areas, probably to rearm and to try to organize further changes in tactics. They’ve finally noticed that some of the Ukrainian units fight differently from Russians in some ways and are beginning to copy some of those tactics.

Western weapons and training for some Ukrainian units have greatly enhanced accuracy. 14 Russian depots were just hit with those weapons and training along with at least 50 fuel trucks, several TOCs and other higher value targets.

The Russians are waiting for hundreds of Iranian combat drones and whatever else they can bring to the fight.