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To: Zhang Fei

You’re wrong about the history.

They didn’t have the votes for impeachment.
It wasn’t impeachment at all.

It wasn’t a constitutional process...


11 posted on 07/03/2022 7:06:15 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Ukraine ping

You’re wrong about the history.

They didn’t have the votes for impeachment.
It wasn’t impeachment at all.

It wasn’t a constitutional process...

Were some aspects problematic? Perhaps. But those were extraordinary times. If Joe Biden had fled to Moscow, and members of the Democratic Party in favor of the US becoming a Russian oblast refused to vote to impeach him, I expect we might resort to extra-constitutional measures, especially if Biden had attempted to make himself dictator. Imagine if Biden had also ordered dozens of Republican demonstrators killed before running for safety in Russia.

Resolution of the Verkhovna Rada

The Ukrainian revolution of February 2014 took place after a series of violent events towards protesters in the capital of Kyiv that culminated with the flight and subsequent then-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych was removed from the office. There were no articles of impeachment against Yanukovych. The Verkhovna Rada Committee voted on February 22, 2014 MPs voted to "remove Viktor Yanukovych from the post of president of Ukraine" on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties and to hold early presidential elections on May 25.[2] The vote came an hour after Yanukovych said in a televised address that he would not resign. He subsequently declared himself to still be "the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state elected in a free vote by Ukrainian citizens".

Rada votes

PartyYesNoAbstentionDid not voteNot present
 Party of Regions3600296
 Batkivschyna860020
 UDAR410001
 Svoboda360000
 Communist Party of Ukraine300011
 Independent9900117
Summary[3]328006116

The action did not follow the impeachment process as specified by the Constitution of Ukraine (which would have involved formally charging the president with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote – i.e. at least 338 votes in favor – by the Rada); instead, the Verkhovna Rada declared that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and cited "circumstances of extreme urgency" as the reason for early elections. Oleksandr Turchynov was then voted by parliament Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament and acting President and Prime Minister of Ukraine.

The fact is that after Yanukovich's removal, new elections were held and a new president elected within 3 months. And when that president lost in 2019, he yielded power peacefully. But the real problem is Yanukovich's treason - he ran to his master in Moscow.

15 posted on 07/03/2022 7:24:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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