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To: SpeedyInTexas

2500 seems to be the general consensus.

is what they had at the start. ~1200 of which were in Ukraine, now counting down to zero. The rest are needed where they are - some in Kalingrad but most are in the Far East.


22 posted on 05/16/2022 10:24:08 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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“Some back-of-the-napkin maths here, but very worth looking at, it suggests that open sources (eg @oryxspioenkop) have been capturing around 80% of Russia’s tank losses (of T-80s anyway). Which is pretty impressive.”

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1526254348619370496

And details:

https://twitter.com/partizan_oleg/status/1526199389764874240

As of March 15, the Russian 1st GTA reported 62 losses of its T-80U/UK/UE fleet. Given that the (12th and 13th tank regiment of the 4TD of the) 1st GTA is the sole user of the T-80U series tank, it gives us an unique chance to verify the data of @oryxspioenkop and his team. 1/n

There are currently 75 recorded Russian T-80U series lost per Oryx. Many pro-Rus guys (espicially in our Chinese-speaking world) would argue “there is a lot of duplications!” even through they can’t point out which records are duplicated. 2/n

The loss of Russian T-80Us can be devided into three time periods: 1) the lost during the offensive maneuver of the 1GTA in Sumy from Fe b 24 to March 22; 2) during the Ukr counterattack at Trokstyanets from Mar 23-25; and 3) during the battle of Izyum in April. 3/n

So I divided the total T-80U losses in three columns: 1) lost before March 15 (1GTA report date); 2)lost from March 15-22 (there will be a delay for the Ukr recorders); and 3)lost since March 23 (most-likely not revelant to the loss report). 4/n

The result is: whole Russia reported 62 T-80U losses till March 15, @oryxspioenkop reported 46 (74%). If we include all the losses tallied until March 22, then we have a total of 49(79%). 5/n

We shall not forget that there are hundreds of “unknown type of tanks” in Oryx’s list, 20 of which were recorded before March 22. Estimation: T-80U contributes to 11% of total recorded Russian Tank losses. Therefore 11% of these 20 tanks = 2 pieces are T-80U. 6/n

With these two added, we can draw a ROUGH conclusion that: Oryx’s counting does not exaggerate the actual loss of the Russian Army; on the contrary it represents some 77-82% of actual Russian loss. 6/n

If we imply this percentage in the whole data, we can infer the concurrent actual Russian tank loss between 818 (77%) and 871(77%). 7/n

Remember this is an rough result basing on merely one type of equipment and many assumptions. A more accurate approach is to count every type of tank losses geolocated to 1st GTA’s AOR as of March 15th. Oryx and his team may have the metadata to achieve this. 8/End


23 posted on 05/16/2022 11:33:09 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Ukraine published documents reportedly from Russia's 1st Tank Army showing its losses through March )
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To: PIF; All

If ORYX has recorded about 80% of losses as noted in previous posting, then RuZZian tank losses could be 20% higher.

671 * 1.2 = 805!!!


24 posted on 05/16/2022 11:35:22 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Ukraine published documents reportedly from Russia's 1st Tank Army showing its losses through March )
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Based on posting #23, we have some real quality data to back up ORYX catalogs.

Ignore RuZZian MOD releases. Total BS.


25 posted on 05/16/2022 11:38:59 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Ukraine published documents reportedly from Russia's 1st Tank Army showing its losses through March )
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"Ukrainian Artillery, claimed to be using the newly-supplied M777 155mm howitzers, hit a Russian ammunition depot near #Izyum, as well as multiple vehicles, which are claimed to be 7x BMP and a tank. As you can see, it is essentially evaporated."


29 posted on 05/16/2022 12:09:59 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Ukraine published documents reportedly from Russia's 1st Tank Army showing its losses through March )
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