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To: citizen
Yes, the phone company, potentially several phone companies, and thus law enforcement and various government agencies always know where your phone is with pretty decent accuracy.

Your phone occasionally pings looking for nearby cell towers. It will usually pick the one that it gets the strongest signal from and associate with that tower. The tower in return sends that info back to the phone company. That way, if someone calls you, the phone company routes the call to that tower and then to your phone. Incoming calls go to one tower, not all of them. That would quickly overload the towers if they didn't have some sense of who was where. Obviously if you call someone on Verizon it is not going out over every Verizon tower. Instead the call goes to Verizon, it says "Oh, phone # xyz? That's currently associated with tower PDQ..." and routes the call there. That information alone is enough to locate you within a reasonably short distance from the tower. Typically within several miles.

As I understand it, the phone company can poll towers and "dump logs" or some such - see which phones are not only currently connected to each tower, but also which phones have recently pinged it then said "thanks but no thanks, I'm getting a better signal from this other tower." With that additional information about what towers your phone "sees" but decided not to connect to, they can triangulate your position down even tighter. Depending on the number and location of towers in the area they can probably get your phone's location down to within a couple dozen yards - without GPS, without asking your phone anything, without you even knowing. Just by having your phone on.

There are some people who claim even if your phone is off it can be remotely turned on. I'm not sure I believe that, or at least that it works the way you might think. Off is off, no CPU, no RF links, etc. However... If your phone is accessed and compromised it *may* be possible to install code into it that takes over. Then if/when you turn it off it only gives the appearance of being off. It may still be on, just running in a very low power mode and only doing what the attacker wants it to do - recording locations or audio or video, maybe communicating that out. But from all outward appearances it is off. If you cannot remove the battery from your phone and you're not sure off is really off... There are things like RF shielding bags and such that block the phone's ability to get GPS information or send out any information. You'd still have to keep it where it could not see or hear you. Or just leave it behind...

13 posted on 05/04/2022 9:21:45 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Vaccine mandates: they are not about health, they are about obedience.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Interesting stuff.

W/ 5g, whatever tracking capabilities there are available will be refined, as there will be so many more cell towers out there due to the 5g signal needing a closer proximity to your device.

Not even 'towers' as we have now. I read the cell devices will be on standard power poles and they will be everywhere, just as power & telephone poles are everywhere. At least in the urban areas, rural may have to rely on standard 4g.

16 posted on 05/04/2022 9:47:18 AM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I have no desire to migrate to 5g. I don’t download movies or music albums. Or stream much of anything.

I did know one guy who claimed he ran his home network from his phone. TV, internet, whatever, he claimed it was doable. 5g might make such an environment easily possible. Tho, this would truly be “having all your eggs in one basket.” Lose or damage your phone and you’re out of business.


17 posted on 05/04/2022 9:52:13 AM PDT by citizen (Thieves of private property pass their lives in chains; thieves of public prop. in riches and luxury)
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To: ThunderSleeps

All cell phones have a unique number identifying it. (just like computers have)

All modern cell phones include a GPS device that maps where you are, and probably records it from time to time. That data may be later uploaded to give the movement tracking, regardless of tower interaction.

Today, if it has a computer in it (cell phone, radio, car, appliance or possibly your refrigerator (smile) it tracks what you do and where you are when you do it.

Welcome to the Brave New World. Way past 1984.


18 posted on 05/04/2022 10:19:46 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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