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The US is Culpable in Today's Ukraine Crisis
The Space Worm Blog ^ | March 3, 2022 | The Space Worm

Posted on 03/17/2022 8:04:01 AM PDT by Michael.SF.

Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of all politics. The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.

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Good summary of how the Obama-Biden team impacted today's events by their misguided moves during the Obama years.

This is a blog, and I have no connection with the writer or blogger. I founf it to be a good summary. (note: 1700 words long)

1 posted on 03/17/2022 8:04:01 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Michael.SF.

Don’t you know every bad thing in the world is caused by America the Great Satan?

* It was Roosevelt who forced poor Germany to invade Poland in 1939.
* When the Russians tanks rolled into Prague in 1967 it was the evil American’s fault
* Iraq invading Kuwait? Nothing but a Deep State plan to give GHWB a successful war.
* That time your car broke down: that was the American space lasers
* Your mother-in-law coming to visit? An obvious CIA plot to make you miserable.


2 posted on 03/17/2022 8:09:31 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew

Please read the article before you post again.


3 posted on 03/17/2022 8:12:25 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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To: Michael.SF.

Agree, the media and DNC has lied to me ALL my life, so I have no reason to not believe them here.


4 posted on 03/17/2022 8:12:38 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Michael.SF.

The USA has made lots of mistakes in Ukraine, which is 10% of the problem. The other 90% of the problem is Vlad Putin. We need to encourage Russia to have a regime change.


5 posted on 03/17/2022 8:16:06 AM PDT by devere
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To: Renfrew
* Iraq invading Kuwait? Nothing but a Deep State plan to give GHWB a successful war.

GHWB's Ambassador, April Glaspie, told Saddam in 1990 “We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait." Whoopsi! Saddam figured - I helped the USA, Bush and the CIA bleed Iran for 10 years, they clearly OWE me this.

6 posted on 03/17/2022 8:16:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Michael.SF.

This administration is the “Dunning - Kruger - Biden” effect presidency. The more a person or group of persons find themselves to be ignorant of a situation, concept, or problem, the more they enthusiastically believe themselves to know more about it.


7 posted on 03/17/2022 8:17:57 AM PDT by blackdog (Today's "disinformation" most often turns out to be tomorrow's facts. )
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To: Michael.SF.
. I founf it to be a good summary

Its a good summary of Russian talking points, aka "coup", by "the space worm". I guess its better than the one by the texas communist or the convicted financial scammer.

8 posted on 03/17/2022 8:18:47 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: devere

Amazing to see all of the Obama/Biden apologists here. I’m not excusing Putin, but it’s a hell of a lot more than 10% blame that needs to be placed on the Kenyan usurper and the Dimwit.


9 posted on 03/17/2022 8:20:16 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Michael.SF.
The obama weapon was/is a very effective Trojan horse someone/something fired against us/US.

Not sure who or what is behind him, but a careful analysis of the winners and losers from all done during obama’s time and now oBiden’s time should offer more than enough clues if you are curious.

And, fwiw, obama is our living example of why Natural Born Citizenship, by soil and blood at birth, was included as a requirement to be President of the US.

If we had followed our Constitution as written, with the meanings that were intended observed and followed, we could have saved a lot of lives, you know?

Usually, there is extra bad karma for those who should know better but do it anyway.

And that’s what’s on us/US .. because we did that … via obama and now oBiden.

10 posted on 03/17/2022 8:22:16 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: devere

I love how people now claim “Ukraine is an independent country!” When its leaders were literally CHOSEN for them in 2014 by the US State Department, in a coup, using Soros-funded NGOs to go onto the streets, and Nationalist (some say neo-naz) paramilitaries, funded by the CIA, to occupy key Russian-speaking majority cities, like Odessa.

Only months later - parasites like Hunter Biden and Devon Archer showed up to start monetizing that control

Independent country my @SS!


11 posted on 03/17/2022 8:23:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: devere

Exactly. This reminds me of the tripe from the left where they always blame everyone other than the real bad actor. BLM burning down cities, they’re poor victims of racist America, and are blameless.


12 posted on 03/17/2022 8:24:48 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Michael.SF.
The Full Article:

How the incessant neo-conservative urge to reshape foreign nations in the Western image has brought us to the brink of World War.

Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of all politics. The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.

Brief Background

Throughout 2012 and most of 2013, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych had been in negotiations with the European Union on the terms of a political/trade agreement involving a sizeable loan, lowering of tariffs, and a goal to “promote gradual convergence on foreign and security matters with the aim of Ukraine's ever-deeper involvement in the European security area” (direct quote from the agreement). Putin has stated, numerous times over several decades, his concerns about Western military forces creeping closer to Russia’s border. The Ukranians asked for $160 billion to offset trade restrictions that Russia would likely implement as a result of the deal. The EU could only offer $828 million. Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer. Considering the Russian loan was nearly 20 times greater than the EU loan and the agreement eliminated the possibility of Russian sanctions while leaving EU relations largely unchanged, this was a rational decision by Yanukovych. To quote Reuters, “the unwillingness of the EU and International Monetary Fund to be flexible in their demands of Ukraine also had an effect, making them less attractive partners.”

Results of 2010 election in which Yanukovych (written Janukovych) won by a slim majority almost entirely on the South-Eastern vote - Ukrainian political division falls on geographic lines.

The decision to cancel the EU agreement, which was not a unilateral decision by Yanukovych but a valid vote by Ukranian Parliament, was met with protests in the North-Western Capital Kiev, led by prominent members of Yanukovych’s opposition party, which quickly turned violent. Western Ukranians were understandably upset after the one-year-long negotiations fell through. By January 20, 2014, the BBC reportedUkraine's President Viktor Yanukovych has agreed to negotiate with pro-EU protesters and opposition leaders after violent clashes in the capital Kiev.” Days later, in an attempt to quell the uprising, Yanukovych offered1 two opposition leaders key positions in his administration - prime minister to Arseniy Yatsenyuk and deputy prime minister for humanitarian affairs to Vitali Klitschko. When they declined, he repealed anti-protest laws and agreed to accelerate the presidential elections (which were due in about one year) to allow the people an opportunity to vote sooner.

Yatsenyuk tweets his rejection to joining Yanukovych’s administration.

While these protests did get bloody, the systems underpinning democratic republics were functioning as intended by forcing Yanukovych to the negotiating table with his constituents and political opponents. One would think it best to let the Ukrainian people work this out, but US foreign policy officials decided otherwise.

US Intervention

A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014, between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies. The call was discussed in several US-based media outlets though, for the most part, they refrain from discussing its content and instead focus on Nuland’s expletive remark of “Fuck the EU” and highlight that Russian hackers were likely the leak’s source. Then State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki corroborated the legitimacy of the call as she “did not dispute the authenticity of the recording and said that Nuland had apologized to European Union officials for her remarks,” according to Associated Press. Listen to full call here:

Here are what I believe to be the key quotes from the call and their context and implications  [emphasis added]:

It’s fairly clear that the subject of Nuland and Pyatt’s conversation was how to influence opposition leaders and leverage ties with the United Nations to legitimize this unconstitutional vote. Such an act, by the way, falls under the definition of a coup. The prescient nature of this conversation, how subsequent events played out in accordance with Nuland’s directives, implies it was not simply a brainstorm session. This was a deliberate attempt to install a Western-friendly regime into a sovereign nation - one sharing a border with Russia just 500 km from Moscow - and it was a successful attempt at that. All because US officials couldn’t settle for neutrality and self-governance; they knew better than the people of Ukraine. Jonathan Marcus of the BBC summed it up well at the time:

The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals.

Consequences

These acts by the US forever changed the trajectory of Russia-Ukraine relations: The 2013 Russian trade deal was revoked, this pushed Russia into a similar deal with China a few months later, and the following years were filled with periodic announcements of Ukraine’s intentions to join NATO accompanied with showy military exercises like the NATO-sponsored ‘Clear Sky’ event held in Ukraine in 2018. Remember, NATO was created by the US and other Western countries in 1949 with the stated goal to “provide collective security against the Soviet Union.”  Given that the Soviet Union hasn’t existed in decades… why does NATO need to exist, let alone expand?! Tensions have continued to fester ever since, culminating in the catalytic spark of today’s conflict when president Volodymyr Zelensky implied that Ukraine might pursue nuclear weapon accumulation if international treaties were unsatisfactory. This was all the justification that Putin needed.

Putin watched in the early 2000s as seven former Soviet Union countries joined NATO. Despite promises by the Clinton administration that NATO would not keep military forces in Eastern Europe permanently, over 20 years later NATO “has about 4,000 troops in multinational battalions, backed by tanks, air defenses and intelligence and surveillance units” across Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland, according to Reuters. Putin tolerated such expansions for decades, and while it was not without complaints and retaliatory acts of his own, he clearly is not a madman intent on re-establishing the Soviet Union.

If you are a US citizen, and if, God willing, the world survives this war, then please, do not continue to tolerate these neo-conservative and neo-liberal establishment politicians. They are on both sides of the aisle - Bush’s, Clinton’s, Obama, Schumer, McConnell, Pelosi, Cheney’s, Anthony Blinken, McCain, John Bolton. It’s a special kind of hubris and naiveté to believe covert and reckless regime change operations will flourish into Western values. The Middle East has paid this price for years and now neo-con machinations are potentially putting the entire planet at risk.

As a funny aside, during the leaked call Pyatt said, “We could land jelly-side up on this one if we move fast.” I think it’s safe to say, after 8 years, which direction the ‘jelly-side’ landed.

13 posted on 03/17/2022 8:27:59 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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Hunter Biden is Ground Zero for all the woe that has grown up between the Ukraine and the United States.

If Ukrainians could have just kept to their old corrupt ways, without the Biden Crime Family bidding in, they would have resolved things with Russia long ago, and become a vassal state, much like Belarus.


14 posted on 03/17/2022 8:29:12 AM PDT by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: Michael.SF.

“Please read the article before you post again.”

I did, and it is the usual leftist rot about how big evil American imperialists are the cause of everything bad that happens.


15 posted on 03/17/2022 8:29:19 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: SoConPubbie

Thank you. Your posting and HTML skills are far better than mine!


16 posted on 03/17/2022 8:29:58 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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To: Michael.SF.
Russia was already clearly interfering also in Ukraine's politics and attempting to coerce Ukraine into a deal by imposing sanctions and cutting off gas. Yanukovych was also gutting Ukraine's armed forces to assist Putin.

I don't think that many Americans understand at all how the EU looks to Eastern Europeans. To them it means joining the civilized world and developing a Western standard of living. No amount of Russian loans (most of which Ukrainians knew would have been funneled to oligarchs) could change that perception. Any closer ties with Russia are simply viewed as a return to Soviet style politics and economic conditions.

Yanukovych tried to slam the door on that agreement and was obviously being paid by Russia to do so. The crowds that showed up on Maidan were not paid Western stooges but thousand of Ukrainians outraged by what they saw as Yanukovych throwing away their future. A legitimate President who wanted to contest a coup in Ukraine would have flown to the EU, not Russia. So the Ukrainian perception of Yanukovych as a Russian stooge was quite correct.

17 posted on 03/17/2022 8:34:11 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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I did, and it is the usual leftist rot about how big evil American imperialists are the cause of everything bad that happens.

Says the poster who routinely uses the enemies of Conservatism, the purveyor's of left-wing Propaganda, the Democrat Media, to make his point.
18 posted on 03/17/2022 8:34:57 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Michael.SF.

100% culpable


19 posted on 03/17/2022 8:35:02 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: Renfrew

If by evil American imperialist,you mean deep state anti american citizens like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden..

All those folks hate America First Trump

Trump and America First, that’s the team that kept Russia and North Korea and the Middle East sort of calmed down for 4 years

Before the coup here


20 posted on 03/17/2022 8:35:04 AM PDT by delchiante
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