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To: Penelope Dreadful
I was expecting you to say something along the lines of "SCOTUS did not say that!" or "That doesn't mean what you think it means."

But I didn't see anything like that. If I understand English correctly, that statement in Wong Kim Ark says that Cruz cannot be a natural born citizen.

Here it is again. Perhaps you misread it the first time you saw it?

"Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, or by n abling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts."

Wong Kim Ark, paragraph 113.

142 posted on 02/28/2022 4:30:12 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Why would I argue anything about the wording, or the part that you have bolded??? It is simply a statement of fact. Citizenship has been bestowed by statute for about 500 years or so, IIRC. Probably earlier than that in Rome or Greece if I had to guess. Nobody finds that notion mysterious or strange except Birthers, because they have Gold Fringe on the brain. And, Birthers’ pseudo-legal theories are a figment of their imagination, just like Sovereign Citizens’ ridiculous theories. I truly wish that there was a way to help you, but I think because most Birthers are not mentally-incompetent in the way that will get them committed to involuntary psychiatric help. But maybe you can help me.

You said that the “gold fringe” thing was silly. But suppose that you had a friend who believed it with all his heart. He constantly came out with freakish interpretations of ordinary laws, and was driven to the brink of babbling over the 14h Amendment and how admiralty law controlled things. How would you go about helping that friend? Let’s assume that you have already destroyed the legal basis for his belief system, but he just. doesn’t. get. it. How would you go about helping him. He has a trial coming up for no driver’s license, no insurance, and a crayon license tag. He could lose his car, and go to jail for a year. What would try on him???


148 posted on 02/28/2022 5:20:41 PM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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