Posted on 02/24/2022 12:04:16 PM PST by gattaca
First, I did not anticipate Russia going beyond their allied region in Eastern Ukraine. I was wrong. It appears Vladimir Putin is going for the whole enchilada as reports indicate his military operations are positioned to capture all of Ukraine, specifically the western Ukraine areas under control of the U.S. State Department.
Second, with all the prior Ukraine issues serving as a reference, it is important to remember that every media outlet in the U.S. machinery of information is untrustworthy.
U.S. intelligence manipulated information, some call misinformation and disinformation, is rampant as the U.S. has specific motives for everything that takes place in Ukraine.
In many ways Ukraine is a vassal state of U.S. leftist politics.
Ukraine has been a satellite operation for the U.S. State Department for approximately 15 to 20 years. The U.S. has held control over Ukraine, and manipulated every political outcome inside Ukraine, for well over a decade. This reality is the source of Vladimir Putin’s angst toward the west for the same amount of time and it’s the same reason why the EU, specifically Germany, is tenuous in any collaborative response.
The EU writ large (including NATO) are less interested in Ukraine because they know Ukraine is the U.S. playground in Europe. This truism explains why we see a conflict when it comes to responses and sanctions from the U.S. compared to the European NATO allies.
The outcome is along the line of NATO countries telling us, Ukraine is our playground, the issues are our creation, therefore when it comes to responsive action – you do you and we will look out for ourselves, but we in the EU have to live with the reality of the outcome so our interests will likely diverge from yours depending on what Putin intends.
Vladimir Putin seeking to take the entire country of Ukraine back under his control – highlights, at least to me, that when Joe Biden took office the scale of U.S. manipulation and influence went back to maximum levels. This is in contrast to four years of President Trump not manipulating Ukraine or trying to use Ukraine as a vassal for U.S. foreign policy interests. Obviously, this puts the DC and Deep State (CIA and State Dept) attack on Trump, using Ukraine, into a specific context.
While there is no justification for President Putin to take all of Ukraine, an independent nation, under Russian control, the Occam’s Razor geopolitical explanation would indicate Putin just reached a point where enough was enough. Taking all of Ukraine away from U.S. control puts a stop to our using the Russian border state for our own interests.
Again, the scale and scope of Putin’s commitment here shows a particular radically strong motive to cut out what he sees as the U.S. cancer completely. This is the aspect I did not anticipate. I expected Putin to throw a strong brush back pitch against the U.S. and retake control over eastern Ukraine, where he is appreciated. I did not expect Putin to throw multiple fast balls directly at the head of team U.S.A.
Now we get to the part where information warfare begins. The same U.S. media who support the deepest part of the DC deep state, will be spinning the U.S. State Department position exclusively and with a massive amount of manipulation. We cannot trust the CNN, WaPo, NYT version of events because they are in alignment with the globalist intents of the Dept of State.
Inside the dynamic is another layer of ideology around climate change and energy. The same U.S. interests who will clutch their pearls over the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, will not step up to increase energy development within the U.S. that could offset Russian influence in Europe.
It is difficult to blame Germany for not supporting the Biden demands of sanctions against Russia (SWIFT, Nordstream II, etc.) because energy dependent Germany can see the hypocrisy in the U.S. position toward energy development.
Stuck in the middle of this are the Ukraine people. The manipulative U.S. State Dept has held control over Ukraine politics for so long most of the Ukraine people suffer Stockholm syndrome toward us. I doubt most of the western Ukrainian people can see how the U.S. involvement in their political affairs has put their country into this vulnerable position, in the same way most of the American people do not see the manipulation in the U.S. 2020 election.
In the big picture China and Iran support Russia and are allies with Russia. Collectively China, Iran and Russia will have increased direct involvement as their alliance will now confront the U.S- western alliance. We can expect the cyber battleground (hacking etc) will be China and Russia working together while the U.S. and western allies work together.
The bottom line is…. Eventually physical power is what determines the outcome of war.
If Putin wants all of Ukraine, he will get all of Ukraine.
Transnistria to be exact.
Has Biden called a date yet for Putins complete take-over?
AOC for Czarina of Puerto Rico!
Its a huge gamble for Putin/Russia. No one even knows what Russia's exact goals are. I highly doubt its a punitive mission at this point. Russia has said "screw you, NATO" and will probably take everything along the Black Sea and East of the Dnieper. Some people think Russia will take all of Ukraine. I don't think so, as Russia would have to hold it - but what do i know?
But IF Putin is successful - Yes indeed, not only Eastern Europe will have to think twice, but all of USA's allies.
Who is “we” chickenhawk?
Either way the US defense contractors sell lots of weapons. No American body bags. Keeps the Beltway establishment happy. Keeps our economy on all cylinders.
Yep. Charlie Wilson's War.
Fascist nonsense from people who have the chutzpah to call themselves “conservatives”.
$100 to FR for the first Russian tank with a “Let’s go Comrade Brandon” sign pictured.
If Putin limits himself to the Eastern Provinces and Crimea, fine, I was prepared to let him have it, but if he goes further than that to Kiev and threatens the Polish border, then it's on, and that's the low-hanging fruit. Then you get to the negotiating table. I still hold out that what Putin really wants is the guarantee that Ukraine will be neutral, but more and more I fear he's going for the whole shebang.
Awesome idea, wish I could do Photoshop.
I’m sure someone in the Russian Army lurks Free Republic. You know, for all the collusion secrets.
DUH!?!?!?!?!
If Russian special forces can “liberate” all of the documentation on American politicians’ - particularly the Bidens’ - dirty dealings in Ukraine, there may be a silver lining to all of this.
I was looking at the maps of reported explosions and the only places not being bombed are the ones Putin is claiming to be “rescuing.”
“then it’s on,”
Let me point out a few things.
Russia has a very capable, modern, large, non woked military
Russia has better technology in at least SAMs and hypersonics
NATO, European, doesn’t want to fight or commit troops
Any conflict with Russia is gonna hurt and kill thousands of NATO troops who probably are not going to win anyways.
So instead of all the war talk, how about some diplomacy?
Assuming that now Russia is in the mood for diplomacy.
I mean yes, we screwed up to let it get to this point, but now that we’re here, it’s water under the bridge.
I don’t know yet what we’re exactly dealing with with Putin, frankly, I never imagined him doing what he did, I figured his actions would be limited to the Luhansk and Donbass regions.
It’s accurate. The US Government evacuated its embassy staff to Lviv, Lwow, or whatever you have to call it this week to avoid getting sent to Belzec or whatever. State Department is extremely active in western Ukraine.
I think Putin learned chamberlains lesson. He realized that NATO could not be appeased and it would take actually enforcing a red line.
If he goes right up to the Polish border, which I don’t think he will, how is that different than NATO going right up to the Russian border?
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