[daniel1212]

"I'm just saying that at least for now, the traditional Catholics are our allies in the culture war. It's not Catholics who are making it hard to be Christian in the U.S. -- it's the worldly people and the "mainline" Protestants."

Actually it is the majority of Catholics which are liberal and vote that way, versus TradCaths, while "mainline" Protestants usually are those closest to Catholicism, while TradCaths count us as their primary theological enemies in the West (and the feeling is much mutual). And while they (as well as the Mormons, etc.) are allies in fighting for traditional values, the dream for many of them is not for a Constitutional Republic reflective of Christian values, liberties and limits, nor for the 1,000 reign of Christ (which Catholicism does not believe in) but the establishment of a Catholic monarch under which we would be censored, or worse.

[Tell It Right]

Maybe I have a bias from living in Alabama, particularly among a bunch of engineers and programmers. Around here, the only Christians who are into sensationalism and bending with the political winds are the "mainline" Protestants. The rest of us are more grounded in being Christian first, our denomination second.

But that may be more indicative of our engineering/system designing culture where we're more into making stuff work in reality than we are about presentation or aesthetics -- including in our personal lives.