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To: Enlightened1

True. But what ultimately happens to a creature that God created and loves, who through his other imperfections and weakness succumbs to the blandishments of Satan in the worst ways imaginable. Christian theology contends that an all just God, despite his love for his creation condemns that creature to everlasting damnation and torment. Begs the question why would he create such a creature in the first place? Knowing the outcome why allow it to happen? Its been said that God has the capacity for forgiveness and all things are possible. Are we to assume that Hitler, Stalin and Mao being imperfect God created creatures who performed horrendous atrocities foreknown by God are forgiven?


7 posted on 01/30/2022 8:02:56 AM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

No. They had/We have free will. Repentance (choosing to turn from) is an act of the heart.

And don’t get caught by the false logic that because something is foreknown and therefore predestined that there is lack of choice. Hitler rejected Christ’s atonement. His choice. God is a Just God as well as Merciful. Accept His perfect substitution of Jesus’ death and resurrection for your sins or use your own remedy for justification of your sins - which will fall short. And thus be rewarded with the rightful sentence.

Pride is ultimately what separates us from God - we want to be mini-Gods (as did Lucifer) and thus we reject His perfect redemption and propitiation for our sins. Our choice. Not the loving God’s choice. He stays true to his Just and Holy self (nature - who He is).


8 posted on 01/30/2022 8:11:48 AM PST by time4good
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To: allendale

God cannot be around sin. Sin makes us slaves to our flesh or mind to whatever we are addicted to or convinced to do from a worldly perspective.

You are right we are fallen people are worldly and cave to our flesh. Hence, why God sent His only son Jesus to pay the ultimate price on the cross for our sins.

Jesus died for our sins of the past, present and future.
All we have to do is believe in Him(in through our hearts). Which means at any time you can be forgiven for your sins if you believe and follow Jesus. You probably heard the story about Jesus on the cross talking to the thief? Even the thief could be forgiven.

It is one thing to say you believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but not believe it in your heart or by actions. At that point then you really don’t believe it. Moreover, you cannot trick God what is in your heart.

Before people are Christians we are slaves to the worldly things. For instance, sex, alcohol, money, etc... We do all these things without a conscious or a care. It’s all about what can I get out of this. All these things make us a slave to sin because we let our flesh dominate us instead of our conscious.

For instance, when people drink, get drunk and do things that they would normally never do or say sober. It is because their conscious falls asleep when drinking, and at that point they become very worldly (all about the flesh) and are just controlled by whatever their body wants vs. the mind or our conscious tells us.

Now when Christians say they are reborn. They believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He died for our sins. Thus, they transform from being slaves bound to sin to slaves bound to righteousness. Just because you become reborn Christian does not mean your life necessary gets easier. Haha!

The difference is you have conscious about this world and worldly things vs. the past you did not. So yes it makes it harder to be righteous. Your worldly desires will still be there. However, you see the world differently. It’s like being red pilled. If you stick to it and work on it. Over time your spirit (consciousness) and mind can overcome your body (aka your flesh).

So as for Hitler, Stalin and Mao. They were worldly, and never got to the State of Conscious. This is why when you die. You body and mind stay here, but your Soul (spirit or consciousness) transforms to a full Being.

You know the term human being. Human is our flesh and mind. Being is our spirit. Ultimately we are spiritual beings have a human experience. Our bodies are nothing more than a temporary suit. It may age but we always feel the same inside because our spirit does not age. I believe we are here to learn about love. This is a test we volunteered for before we existed. I suspect this is some type boot camp to go to the next level. Whatever that is?

Hope that gives you a better understanding.


12 posted on 01/30/2022 8:51:33 AM PST by Enlightened1
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