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To: SeekAndFind
RE: What’s the source of that stat?

See here:

LOL. Did you look at the link?

Their source for the 5X number is this Israeli site: RealTimeNews.

The article starts out with a bunch of anecdotes about athletes who have had problems, but for many they don't even discuss vaccination status.

Later on the article makes the claim about 5x more deaths. What did they base this on? Well, to find out how many deaths there were in the past they...well, let's look at their own words:

"To know how many deaths have occurred in reality during the past two decades among players FIFA (2001-2020), used the Wikipedia entry " list of registered players union who died while playing " (List of association footballers who died while playing)."

Now, this Wikipedia page doesn't come close to having the data they claim it does, and of the data it does have it says:

"The following is an incomplete list of association footballers who died while playing..."

OK, so far we have a partial list of some footballers who have died over some period of time. Let's see how they came up with the players who died in 2021. Surely they have a good source for that, right?. Well...:

"To know how many cases occurred this year - in 2021 (until mid-November 2021), we used the list of players who died during 2021, collected in the "Real Time News" research."

There it is! Their own researchers researched the heck out of it and came up with a number.

Where did they look? Uh, we don't know.

How did they filter the results? Beats me.

Is there a single link to any of the data they used?

Sadly, no.

So there we have it - the anatomy of an anti-vax claim.

A dodgy website uses an explicitly incomplete Wikipedia entry, compares this result to their own, totally opaque "research", launders the made up statistic through a couple more anti-vax articles and the next thing we know you're stating it as fact here on FR.

Love the internet...

20 posted on 01/05/2022 11:35:10 AM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo

RE: So there we have it - the anatomy of an anti-vax claim.

I personally never said that the vaccines were the cause of the deaths. I said it has been observed that in 2021, there have been out of the average number of athletes collapsing compared to previous years.

Whether it is caused by the vaccines or not, we do not yet know. This most recent death in fact, does not mention vaccination at all.

So, don’t get the impression that I said these were caused by vaccines. I didn’t.


21 posted on 01/05/2022 12:35:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: semimojo

RE: The following is an incomplete list of association footballers who died while playing...

Yes, the Wiki list is incomplete. I am also open to the possibility that there could be more before 2021 than what was documented in the Wiki table.

However, their names are mentioned and the circumstances described.

So based on that table, we get the 5x above average figure.

Do you have a better source that show us that this number fir 2021 isn’t unusual and is to be normally expected for FIFA?


22 posted on 01/05/2022 12:54:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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