Posted on 09/17/2021 7:05:19 AM PDT by shadowlands1960
Constitutionally? No.
Proven how? Because Cyber Ninjas said so? The state has its own audits and recounts that say the fraud was virtually non-existent. Who determines which side is right and which is not?
Yes. Timely challenges in state court under the procedures provided by state law.
From the 12th Amendment:
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
1825 Presidential election decided in the House
As no presidential candidate received a majority of electoral votes in the election of 1824, the U.S. House of Representatives votes to elect John Quincy Adams, who won fewer votes than Andrew Jackson in the popular election, as president of the United States. Adams was the son of John Adams, the second president of the United States.
In the 1824 election, 131 electoral votes, just over half of the 261 total, were necessary to elect a candidate president. Although it had no bearing on the outcome of the election, popular votes were counted for the first time in this election. On December 1, 1824, the results were announced. Andrew Jackson of Tennessee won 99 electoral and 153,544 popular votes; John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts received 84 electoral and 108,740 popular votes; Secretary of State William H. Crawford, who had suffered a stroke before the election, received 41 electoral votes; and Representative Henry Clay of Kentucky won 37 electoral votes.
As dictated by the U.S. Constitution, the presidential election was then turned over to the House of Representatives. The 12th Amendment states that if no electoral majority is won, only the three candidates who receive the most popular votes will be considered in the House.
Representative Henry Clay, who was disqualified from the House vote as a fourth-place candidate, agreed to use his influence to have John Quincy Adams elected. Clay and Adams were both members of a loose coalition in Congress that by 1828 became known as the National Republicans, while Jackson’s supporters were later organized into the Democratic Party.
Thanks to Clay’s backing, on February 9, 1825, the House elected Adams as president of the United States. When Adams then appointed Clay to the top Cabinet post of secretary of state, Jackson and his supporters derided the appointment as the fulfillment of a corrupt bargain.
I will get you Dr. John Eastman's take on all of this.
It’s worse than that... We’ve been promised “accountability” on a number of fronts since Whitewater.
*crickets*
The Elite get more powerful and richer while the rest of us have less and less freedom and the economy is swirling ‘round the drain.
I do not approve.
Not a farce, but a threat. The GOPe like Kemp and Doucey have committed political suicide by their failure to challenge this fraud. All of a sudden the Nov 3 movement has become the litmus test for Rep candidates.
Facts are stubborn things. Come back to me after the AZ audit report is released. Maricopa County is the first forensic audit ever done in this country. Over 3,000 unpaid volunteers have laboriously reviewed 2.1 million ballots. And Jovan Pulitizer has examined all of the paper ballots using advanced technology. The four part audit will be used as the template for audits in other states. The Dems have stolen elections for decades. Now we will see in minute detail how they do it.
The Democrats are flooding the Borders for more votes and more power. They were caught with mail in ballot cheating now they are welcoming new voters to replace Patriots.
Come back to me if something actually happens. If George Soros funded an audit of the Arizona election and the results of that was a finding of no fraud, would you believe it? I suspect not. So why should those who currently believe the election was fair to suddenly be swayed by Cyber Ninjas?
This is getting to be “yawn” city.....
Nothing is going good to happen! The Democrats laugh their A$$es off at us!
“I join in your hoorah.”
Glad to hear that - but I wish people would say the “hoorah” part out loud -not just the “not holding my breath” part.
These people need our encouragement, not “I’ll believe it when I see it”.
The enemy wants us to lose hope and give up - let’s not let that happen.
I remember when I was working on an invention that took me years to develop, I would periodically get excited about a breakthrough, or frustrated by the lack of a breakthrough, and share my thoughts with various friends and relations.
Most of these conversations left me feeling inspired, but there were a few people who, for some reason, just seemed to want to pull the rug out. They would say things like “Weren’t you telling me the same thing over a year ago?” or “If it is such a good idea, wouldn’t Microsoft have developed it already?” or “I can’t believe you are still obsessed with this” or “I’ll believe it when I see it”.
Sometimes, I’d hear something second-hand like “So-and-so thinks you are wasting your time chasing unicorns”.
I understand we sometimes need to be challenged. We need friends to play devil’s advocate and offer constructive criticism. We sometimes need a dose of reality. I appreciate that.
But there is also just plain unmitigated negativity - and I can tell you it’s like poison. Creative and passionate people want to make the world a better place. They believe they are doing something good for other people.
For this reason, they need positive feedback from other people to remind them why they are bothering to work so hard. If nobody cares what I’m doing or thinks it will make their life better, then why am I doing it?
Looking back at that period, I have often wondered why certain people exuded only negativity. I still don’t know the answer, but I’m pretty sure it was more about them than it was about my idea.
I imagine some people are afraid to hope because they don’t want to risk disappointment. They figure if they expect nothing they won’t be let down.
I think that’s no way to go through life - but that’s just me.
Well said. Despair and defeatism are poison to men’s soul and give comfort and aid to the enemy. Despair Trolls are no better than traitors. If you can’t be positive, at least be quiet.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
Free beer tomorrow.
Federal law, enacted by Congress as authorized by the Constitution, rules that out. Article II, section 3 of the Constitution empowers Congress to "determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Pursuant to this power, Congress has set the time for choosing electors as "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President," under 3. U.S.C. s. 1, and has set the time for them to vote on "the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment" under 3. U.S.C. s. 7. It is too late for states to appoint electors, and even if they could, it would be too late for them to vote.
Second, I disagree with your interpretation of the 12th amendment. How do you explain the election of 1825? By your reasoning, Jackson should have been elected.
I don't understand. There were 261 electors appointed in 1825. 99 voted for Jackson, 84 for Adams, 41 for Crawford, and 37 for Clay. Because no one received a majority, the House elected the President from among the top three pursuant to the 12th Amendment.
Under your scenario, if 57 electors are "decertified," then only 481 would have been appointed. Biden's remaining 249 is a majority of those remaining electors.
“Not for an electoral college vote. You’d have to amend the constitution. We need to go back to a paper vote with everyone voting the same day with very few exceptions (disabled, elderly, military overseas).”
You realize if we did that then the Senate would have at least 60 Republicans and the House would have at least 260 Republicans, if not 280? And virtually every non-deep blue state would be run by (mostly-based) Republican governors and legislatures?
If Trump believes he lost Arizona or Georgia due to fraud, it was his job as the candidate to challenge it court, not the governors. But he didn't do so in either Arizona or Georgia. In Arizona, Trump's own lawyer told the judge "we are not alleging fraud in this lawsuit. We are not alleging anyone stealing the election." In Georgia, he filed a challenge generally alleging fraud, but failed to offer any actual proof, and then withdrew his request for emergency relief and later voluntarily dismissed the lawsuit.
At some point, Trump has to bear responsibility for his own failure to win re-election.
If there is evidence of fraud, it should withstand scrutiny by anyone.
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