[GOPJ]

The loss of Afghanistan is obvious....their military isn’t willing to die for their country or it’s people...never was.

The Afghan military wasn't willing to die for OUR IDEA of what their country should be... BIG DIFFERENCE.

Few of us would want to die for what liberal 'elites' in DC would make our country into either. The biggest problem we face is an incentivized system that gives us the kind of 'leaders' we have now.(but that's a different subject for a different day)

[caww]

You cannot modernize nor change a society that doesn't want to. Most Afghans are illiterate so even if they enjoy they might enjoy comforts of modern society and to have them they don't have the capability of sustaining them without outside assistance. I watched the Taliban in a weight room, and at an amusement park. They really are backward in many ways. That doesn't mean they can't learn. But as was said of their army..to teach them even what a number was to read gives you an idea the difficulty they had in training their military at an leadership level.