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Breaking! Federal Prosecutors Refuse to Hand Over Text Messages, Laptops From FBI Informants in Whitmer Kidnapping Case
GP ^ | August 14, 2021 | Cristina Laila

Posted on 08/14/2021 5:33:32 PM PDT by White Lives Matter

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To: cuz1961

None dare call it coup.


The bipartisan nature of the coup could not be more obvious. Any Trump voter who votes GOP in 2022 endorses these assaults on our American Heritage.


21 posted on 08/14/2021 5:47:32 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: White Lives Matter

Of course it was entrapment. 12 informants and 6 defendants. The leaders of the “plot” were informants pushing the others to do the deed. This was an FBI plot with a few unknowing followers.


22 posted on 08/14/2021 5:48:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (“Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They’re too f*cking corrupt.

The only criminals that are caught are the dumb ones and the careless ones

That being said it’s hard for me to believe that defense attorneys across the country aren’t going after this agency. You gotta have money. But they’ve done some crazy stuff.


23 posted on 08/14/2021 5:48:52 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: White Lives Matter

my bet is that this also exposes the same group as being the actual organizers of January 6th and other violent actions in the last year. becouse a great deal of those involved dont have the full picture and believe they are not doing anything wrong there will be a lot of back and fourth between those that organized it and have the big picture.


24 posted on 08/14/2021 5:49:16 PM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If you are involved in a militia, at least half the members are FBI informants.


25 posted on 08/14/2021 5:50:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (“Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: White Lives Matter

The usual remedy from a judge is hand it all over and do it right now OR I dismiss the case against all defendants with prejudice.

Anybody who has ever read FRCP #26 knows there is no question. You have to hand over any evidence in your possession which might have probative value to the defense. This was hammered into my skull as a 1L.


26 posted on 08/14/2021 6:03:34 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: White Lives Matter

People jailed without bond and held in solitary confinement, denied trials, discovery of evidence is denied to defense counsel, defense attorneys offices are searched and defense attorneys are interrogated about communication with their client. Trump derangement syndrome has upended the constitution and bill of rights. No one is safe; these abuses will trickledown to every court in the country, political crimes will preempt every prosecution. We entered the realm of the KGB and Gestapo.


27 posted on 08/14/2021 6:06:13 PM PDT by Spok (Those who can compel you to believe absurdities can compel you to commit atrocit)
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To: White Lives Matter

Judge will throw the cases out, for non-cooperation in discovery.


28 posted on 08/14/2021 6:12:51 PM PDT by wetgundog
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To: PCPOET7

That’s possible.


29 posted on 08/14/2021 6:15:08 PM PDT by White Lives Matter
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To: kiryandil

Vishinski, Stalin’s show crimes “prosecutor.”


30 posted on 08/14/2021 6:24:28 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: HollyB

ANYONE sitting on a federal jury needs to start voting not guilty on every federal trial. If the FBI/DOJ are involved you have sufficient grounds for reasonable doubt and a not guilty verdict. They have no credibility in anything at this point. If asked all you say is I had a reasonable doubt and you would be telling the truth.

Start destroying their show trials and watch them go pure Stasi on the citizens for daring to question their perceived ethics.


31 posted on 08/14/2021 6:38:12 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: White Lives Matter
The feds are terrified

Bull excrement! Were they terrified (Comey) when they spied on President DJT? Were they terrified (Strock and Page) when they had a hand in fixing the 2020 election? How about when they (Wray) hid Hunter's laptop for a year? Continue here ad nauseum. The feds are terrified of nothing IMHO. That's because they 'are the cops'! They are the ones who they would call to report an incident that they thought needed to be investigated and they are the ones who would investigate themselves. Ain't justice grand?

32 posted on 08/14/2021 6:45:51 PM PDT by eeriegeno (A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State....)
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To: White Lives Matter
In the Response the Government argues that the defendants, particularly Adam Fox, were so predisposed to commit the underlying offenses that an entrapment defense is likely to fail.

Since when does the prosecution have the right to adjudicate the likelihood of defense claims rather than the court? Is not that the whole point of a trial?

33 posted on 08/14/2021 6:55:06 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: White Lives Matter

Perhaps there was no actual plot in the first place. Perhaps it was a hoax just before the election to flip Michigan.


34 posted on 08/14/2021 6:57:16 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: White Lives Matter

The DOJ / FBI / CIA / NSA have been a criminal enterprise since 1996. The courts have no control over them whatsoever. They are all politicalized mercenaries. The courts are terrified of them.


35 posted on 08/14/2021 7:50:28 PM PDT by blackdog (Sophisticated so public policy is not applicable. )
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To: White Lives Matter

My tagline says all you need to know on this subject...


36 posted on 08/15/2021 1:47:23 AM PDT by WinstonSmith1984 (The DOJ is a far left militia.)
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To: White Lives Matter

Yes. Twelve snitches and six suckers, but it wasn’t a frame job at all. /s


37 posted on 08/15/2021 2:00:57 AM PDT by OKSooner (Always say, "After the fair trial".)
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38 posted on 08/15/2021 10:49:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: White Lives Matter

BTTT


39 posted on 08/15/2021 2:24:20 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: White Lives Matter

Entrapment has a very high threshold.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements

645. Entrapment—Elements

Entrapment is a complete defense to a criminal charge, on the theory that “Government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant in an innocent person’s mind the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the Government may prosecute.” Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540, 548 (1992). A valid entrapment defense has two related elements: (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant’s lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct. Mathews v. United States, 485 U.S. 58, 63 (1988). Of the two elements, predisposition is by far the more important.

Inducement is the threshold issue in the entrapment defense. Mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451 (1932). Nor does the government’s use of artifice, stratagem, pretense, or deceit establish inducement. Id. at 441. Rather, inducement requires a showing of at least persuasion or mild coercion, United States v. Nations, 764 F.2d 1073, 1080 (5th Cir. 1985); pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship, ibid.; or extraordinary promises of the sort “that would blind the ordinary person to his legal duties,” United States v. Evans, 924 F.2d 714, 717 (7th Cir. 1991). See also United States v. Kelly, 748 F.2d 691, 698 (D.C. Cir. 1984) (inducement shown only if government’s behavior was such that “a law-abiding citizen’s will to obey the law could have been overborne”); United States v. Johnson, 872 F.2d 612, 620 (5th Cir. 1989) (inducement shown if government created “a substantial risk that an offense would be committed by a person other than one ready to commit it”).

Even if inducement has been shown, a finding of predisposition is fatal to an entrapment defense. The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant “was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime.” Mathews, 485 U.S. at 63. Thus, predisposition should not be confused with intent or mens rea: a person may have the requisite intent to commit the crime, yet be entrapped. Also, predisposition may exist even in the absence of prior criminal involvement: “the ready commission of the criminal act,” such as where a defendant promptly accepts an undercover agent’s offer of an opportunity to buy or sell drugs, may itself establish predisposition. Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550.


40 posted on 08/15/2021 2:29:45 PM PDT by Cboldt
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