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To: Article10
What is the point of repealing the 17th Amendment? Do you really think the legislatures of states like Georgia, Arizona or Pennsylvania would choose Senators that are not RINOs? Given the cowardice of GOP controlled legislatures in confronting in your face fraud, I am skeptical that ending popular vote for Senators would result in better results.
48 posted on 03/07/2021 7:07:43 AM PST by Wallace T.
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Wallace T. touches on an important subject that unfortunately doesn’t have a succinct response.

Before the 17th Amendment, Americans could exert pressure via their state legislators who in turn kept dialog with appointed US Senators. If you have ever contacted a state legislator, you know they are right next door and can’t run away very well, they are much more genuine and responsive. If you contact a US Senate office, you usually get form letters, lip service. It is possible to get a personalized response from a US Senate office but it’s rare, unless you have a lot of money.

Historically, a very few Western States having recently joined the Union had problems early on with corrupt state legislators looking to sell out for big bucks because the new states didn’t pay well and the legislatures were poorly organized, and the shift in power held enormous leverage to the nation’s affairs. Before that, the arrangement was quite stable except when the nation was headed toward a War Between the States which brought great acrimony and conflict to the US Senate. If only the US Senate could be decoupled from its state legislatures, all would be well so it was thought.

Those in Washington DC wanted full autonomy from state government structures. Citizens were easy to ‘manage’, they were diffuse, disorganized, isolated, having their only recourse to state legislators to exert pressure on the US Senate and such pressure was potent. Members of a state legislature worked together and concentrated pressure on the US Senate whereas the citizenry found this burdensome because any voices or protests were fleeting in most cases. Their legislature was their megaphone gun for hire when it came to being heard by the US Senate.

Representatives in the HOR had a ‘group working relationship’ with the US Senate but individual members were largely separate. The pressure for change came from state legislatures to the US Senate and the pressure on the state legislators came from homes, farms, and businesses. Post-17th, the pressure came from large businesses as the individual citizen is easily manipulated by campaign rhetoric. The electorate is often resigned to defeatism “nothing will change, no one will do anything about it.”

The 17th was welcome by the Barons at the time because it meant they could separate the District of Columbia from States leaving US Senators more amenable to control, more manageable. A half and one Senator less than or equal to a hundred and the country could be controlled easily. In fact, Oligarchs control both the R and the D in a Senate race more often than not. The voters have no real choice and do not see the marketing of both brands by the same supplier.

Another note of history is that the original three branches of US Government were NOT the Executive, the Legislature (Congress), the Judiciary. The original three branches were the Executive. the Senate, and the House. The Senate was patterned after a House of Lords but the Founders ensured citizens of states could exert pressure in Senate appointments via their state legislators. The US ‘House of Lords’ tied to local leaders was a compromise between the large landowners and the common farmer, shopkeeper, parishioners. Post-17th scholars ask why do we even need a US Senator? What is the purpose of having an ‘Uber Representative’ of the people of a state? There are already representatives for that purpose in the HOR. A US Senator today has no real ties to a state’s borders. Their lives and careers are inside the District, the ‘Swamp’, extending internationally if their primary corporate backers need global representation.

The US Senate has devolved into an autonomous club with actors who read scripts and the scripts are written by large donors often engaging in kickbacks. When asked for example, how about letting states decide their own abortion policies, a US Senator will smile or write a nice form letter saying they are working to keep abortion safe and rare but unfortunately there is much work to be done with other Senators and so the constituent is urged to vote to keep the ‘Pro-life’ members in office to fight for the unborn. But even when Republicans control the Senate, very little gets done about the abortion issue. This pattern of behavior extends to most every other hot button issue.

Those that study US history know that Congress and its monied interests launched and grew what is now known as the ‘Swamp’ at a rapid pace post-17th. Again, today’s US Senators are mostly unbeholden to their ordinary state constituents other than paying lip service. Democrats and Republicans appropriate budgetary ‘grants’ for various interests and receive donations in kind. For example, public health advocacy groups such as Planned Parenthood donate a portion of its public funding right back to the Senators that voted for the funding. Yes, it’s a massive kickback scheme and it occurs all the time among large corporations extracting funds via kickbacks to Congress, payouts steered largely by the Senate.

It’s safe to say the US Senate’s major focus is not on the electorate except during campaign season. In this light, the 17th Amendment was counterproductive to the Constitution. Any person or foreigner studying the US and seeking a means to control its government will zero in on the easiest most powerful body which is the US Senate because it’s small in number, largely independent from local regions, it is perfectly posed for control and management by large funds including foreign groups. Many groups and corporations providing kickbacks to US Senate campaign funds have become international causing US Senators to walk a fine line between globalist development and backyard politics. Nearly every US Senator is not a Senator from such and such state so much as from such and such corporation(s). The US Senator from Alcoa, the Us Senator from Pfizer, the US Senator from JP Morgan Chase, and so on, US Senators can change labels on a dime depending on what is before them.

The daily life of the American ‘Main Street’ (homes, farms, families, businesses) has no real influence on the US Senate. There is no RECALL for US Senators in the Constitution. Wall Street has orders of magnitude more leverage with US Senate offices than Main Street.

What is needed is an amendment to the US Constitution that provides for RECALL of US Senators. A study reveals such recalls must have two modes of activation 1) Majority vote of the State Legislature OR 2) Voter Referendum. The two modes are necessary because voters and state legislatures may be out of sync or they feed each other or one may be weak where the other is strong.

Of course, the US Senate would never vote for such an Amendment. This is why George Mason, a Revolutionary War Colonel and personal friend of George Washington, ensured the Constitution’s Article V included a pathway for citizens to hold voter referendums to propose amendments.

Former Freeper Mark Levin along with other conservative notables run a support and advocacy organization to help facilitate voters in states to participate in proposing amendments to the Constitution. Democrats and their leftist groups don’t bother because the number of states they control would never amount to a number that could ratify an amendment (although the advent of Dominion could change that dynamic). But State Republicans can get it done, they control what is called ‘flyover country’.

The 17th Amendment can be viewed as the vehicle that allowed state voters to HIRE its US Senator. A RECALL Amendment would allow to FIRE a US Senator by either the State Legislature or the State’s Electorate. Having such RECALL inserted into the Constitution would have US Senators ‘paying attention’ to BOTH the State Legislature and the State’s Electorate.

For those that shun a repeal effort of the 17th Amendment, fine, leave it in place. But work to repair its disastrous effects by supporting a PAY ATTENTION provision in the form of a RECALL Amendment.

Forget term limits. That may be a violation of the 10th Amendment and thus unconstitutional or otherwise unmanageable or unpassable.

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60 posted on 03/07/2021 9:31:09 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Wallace T.
What is the point of repealing the 17th Amendment?

The point would be the same reason it was set up that way in the first place. The House was supposed to represent the people. The Senate was supposed to represent the states. The only difference between the house and senate today is the length of term and size of the body.

Removing the state's representation from the government was a mistake.

61 posted on 03/08/2021 6:32:29 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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