Posted on 03/02/2021 7:51:43 AM PST by JosephJames
If you have no fear of COVID with its 99% survival rate then why should you be leery of a vaccine with a 99.999999999999% survival rate?
[[: No one, I mean NO ONE at Pfizer is taking the vax. Wonder why that is?]]
How do you know this?
To start with, there is a good chance that I won’t get the Chicom flu.
We don’t really know enough about the side effects of the vaccines. They are a new type of vaccine. I will let other folks test it for a few years unless it becomes a job requirement or something.
“These experimental products have only killed 1/3 the number of U.S. citizens required to start a war on terrorism... so far.”
The deaths reported in the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) are raw data, that can be used to search for reactions that the vaccine may be causing.
After getting vaccinated, people will continue to fall ill and die of other causes, as they normally would. The vaccine does not make them immortal. What matters is if the vaccine causes death.
Out of a huge sample of 50 million people (Americans who have already received a first shot), we would just statistically expect some to die every day afterward.
The 50 million in this sample however, is far from random. They were deliberately selected from among the oldest and sickest people in the Country, including nearly all the residents of Nursing Homes.
So VAERS has reports of people dying, having heart attacks, and so on. That is the case with every vaccine tracked in VAERS.
Professionals review VAERS to look for patterns, and investigate cases, searching for causative links, rather than coincidental occurrences.
So far, no deaths have been determined to have been caused by the vaccine, although there have been a (statistically) small number of severe anaphylactic (allergic) reactions, that required life-saving interventions. That is typical with vaccines generally.
If the mRNA injection from Pfizer and the other one from Moderna do not fit the definition of a vaccine, then it should *NOT* be called a vaccine. It is a gene therapy delivery system, which has no long-term track record.
In what way?
Gilad Atzmon: ...Pfizer CEO ..admits Israel is the world’s lab
“... A group of dissenting researchers who looked into the numbers involved with the current Pfizer Israeli experiment published a detailed study two week ago. “We conclude” they wrote, “that the Pfizer vaccines, for the elderly, killed during the 5-week vaccination period about 40 times more people than the disease itself would have killed, and about 260 times more people than the disease among the younger age class.” ...”
Atzmon also talks about punitive government measures regarding “vaccination green passports.” And it finally clicked in my mind why for 3 decades all the children have been given special snowflake participation trophies even for wrong answers, why Groupthink is more important than facts, why “diversity” is more important in hiring than merit = Everyone under 45 is only concercerned with getting approval from the Authority and from the Group. The maiming and deadly Idiocy of mRNA vaccines is irrelevant as long as they get the participation trophy of approval now known as the vaccine passport. That’s mass brainwashing, but at least I understand the Idiocy.
Napolean said he could conquer the world if only he had enough ribbon. I don’t believe anyone under 45 was taught that statement, or would understand what it means if they were.
dhuls wrote: “Second, these products do not give immunity or stop transmission... They weren’t even tested to meet these requirements.”
Thanks for the response but I have a question: If these vaccines were not testing to see if they heighten immunity or stop transmission, then how can you claim that they do not?
Praying for you Doc Maverick!
“Second, these products do not give immunity or stop transmission... They weren’t even tested to meet these requirements.”
That is not true.
The standard three phase trial design for vaccines was followed for each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines. The primary metrics they are designed to measure, are efficacy (degree of immunity conferred) and safety.
Vaccines don’t typically provide absolute (100%) immunity, or absolutely prevent all (100%) transmission. I don’t know of any that do, but perhaps there are some.
But the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been rigorously tested to determine their effects on immunity (about 95% - very high for vaccines in general), in their standard (and actually larger than average) trials.
Additionally, the Pfizer vaccine has been massively studied in Israel, for its effect on transmission, as well as immunity.
In a study of more than half a million inoculated people, published in a peer reviewed journal (New England Journal of Medicine https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101765 ), they confirmed the >90% immunity, and also indicated a better than 90% reduction in transmission.
They attribute fewer than a thousand deaths against tens of million of doses given. It's a pretty good approximation.
If people start dropping dead in a year or 2 after receiving this vaccine, we will know.
If they do then we'll talk. Until then I plan on getting the vaccination as soon as I'm able.
I am in perfect health, I take vitamin D, go outside everyday and have been living my life for the past year as normally as possible. I go to Manhattan at least once a week for work (and will be back there tomorrow). I've been to DC, to Florida, to Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts, all through this pandemic. I've stayed in hotels, I've eaten at restaurants frequently. I only mask when compelled to by the business establishment I am in.
I have no desire for this vaccine whatsoever. Nor do I have a need for one.
I agree.
I’m NOT anti-Vax and have argued with FRers who are.
This is too fast, and not simply from cutting out bureaucrats. No good biological research can happen that fast.
I HAVE had COVID, so I am concerned extra as I’ve heard some concern with that situation.
The ROI for this just isn’t there. Cost vs benefit.
This entire hysteria doesn’t meet the ROI if you ask me.
I spent the full day with her when she started having symptoms.. I handled the things she touched..hugging her. I brought her soup 3 days after being with her and she happened to be laying on the couch instead of bed. Her face was bright red. I mean really really red.....over a week later I had mild sinus problems which is common for me. Either I'm extremely blessed or I am immune. I wish there was a test to take to see if I'm immune so I wouldn't have to be pressured into taking the shots. Her sister said I can get an antibody test but that can't confirm I won't get the virus. So frustrating.
I don’t fault you. I simply don’t trust our medical system anymore. My 90 year old grandmother never received a vaccine. She is the epitome of health. She contracted Covid in the form of a cough and headache.
I was brave enough to stand in the front of the line so all the cowards could see that it didn’t kill me.
Good enough for a Jew, good enough for you. That’s what I always say. I got the same Vax that the Israelis all got.
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