Mike Pence's "Read My Lips" Moment

Send me the statute or the court decision that allows Pence to exclude certain Electoral Votes.

I will immediately apologize and retract my original post.

This could prove to be very true. Mr. P did claim Flynn lied to him. What to believe? We are aware Mr. P is no patriot. Strike one.

Send me the statute or the court decision that allows Pence to exclude certain Electoral Votes. I will immediately apologize and retract my original post.

From the 12th amendment:

"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted"

Why are the procedures spelled out in such detail? And what was the intent? Is it “ceremonial” as cynically described by Pence and his Democrat masters? NO, THE 12TH AMENDMENT IS CLEARLY ESTABLISHING A CHAIN OF CUSTODY! If the chain of custody is broken any where along the way, the votes contained in the envelope are invalid legally and constitutionally! The final arbiter in that chain of custody is the President of the Senate... in this case Mike Pence. He is the one responsible for determining that the chain has not been broken. If he determines that there is a problem anywhere along the chain then he can determine whether the votes in the envelope to be opened are legally and constitutionally valid. That is why he is included in this process. That is why the process is spelled out in great detail. Nothing in the constitution or the 12th amendment is included for ceremonial purposes!

I of course am paraphrasing from a number of constitutional scholars who have studied the text and supporting documentation as to why the words were written the way that they were. I hope that they will forgive me if I have repeated anything incorrectly!

Before Arnold turned traitor he lost his leg, there is a monument to it at Saratoga NY. I believe.

We do control the Congresses in those states.. Pass a law to order that done..

Who is going to enforce the law? Jeff Sessions? Bill Barr? With a corrupt justice department, laws are enforced on a selective basis.

US Marshall’s?

What chain of custody was broken?

Every state has certified their Electoral Votes.

What you are claiming is that the Vice President has the final authority to certify or de-certify all the Electoral Votes sent to the U.S. Senate.

If that authority is in the 12th Amendment, or in the Electoral Count Act, I do not see it.

What chain of custody was broken?
Every state has certified their Electoral Votes.

If you do not recognize or are able to comprehend what a chain of custody is from the context of the 12th amendment, Then you are either being intentionally obtuse or there may not be much that I can do to explain it to you.

The Electoral Count Act of 1887 is most likely unconstitutional as argued recently in the WSJ and by many others over the years because it strips away responsibilities assigned by the 12th amendment without going through the proper procedures.

There are specifics listed in the 12th amendment that must be followed... “certification” is not mentioned. But there is an obvious chain of custody and the final person in that chain is the President of the Senate. The final person called out in any chain of custody is always the one who is responsible for making sure that the proscribed procedures have been followed and that the chain of custody has not been broken.

Meter readers are responsible for recognizing an abnormal output of utilities, such as extremely high electricity, gas, or water usage, and for finding the source of the utility leak or problem if possible so that repairs may be ordered... They also are responsible for inspecting the seal to make sure that the meter has not been tampered with. In some jurisdictions meter readers may also have the opportunity to collect past due bills instead of having the service disconnected.

Mike Pence was the meter reader for this election and he failed miserably in following his duties. He should be ashamed.

I know exactly what chain of custody means.

The meaning is completely indifferent to the thing in custody.

It just means who possessed the thing in question, where, and when.

The issue of certification is outlined in the Electoral Act.

If it is unconstitutional, why did it take 130 years before someone noticed?

And, why has no Vice President exercised that alleged authority even once in the last 130 years?

It is the responsibility of any person in any chain of custody to determine that the “thing in question” has been handled properly before it reached them. If it has not, it is that person's responsibility to declare that there has been a breech, and the entire process needs to be started over. The final arbiter is always going to be the last person in the chain. This is obvious through common sense and past precedent.

The history, the actions taken, and the intent of the persons who were the framers of the constitution is fascinating. Thomas Jefferson of course was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence and also one of the driving forces in the 1787 Constitutional Convention. On February 11, 1801, Jefferson in his role as President of the Senate accepted electoral votes from Georgia which were signed by no one and had only the number of votes for Jefferson and the number of votes for Burr contained in the envelope. This resulted in Jefferson winning the Presidency.

The outrage over this was one of the primary motivations that resulted in the 12th amendment where specific requirements were spelled out clearly for what was required for electoral votes to be valid and could then be accepted by the President of the Senate. It is audacious to now argue that those requirements and the responsibility of the President of the Senate to follow in his role as the final arbiter in the chain of custody of the electoral votes is suddenly now just “ceremonial”. You and others are acting as cheerleaders for the stolen election by claiming that the plain language in the 12th amendment is now meaningless and "ceremonial". It is a slap in the face of the sincere efforts of those patriots who not only drafted the 12th amnement but had it ratified. The responsibilities, the role and requirements of the President of the Senate in the 12th amendment is as clear as day if one looks at the history behind it. Arguing against this is as auacious as President Clinton claiming that “It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." How dare you sir!

Oh, and your historical references are vague, innacurate, and invalid. Unfortunately at this point it has become clear that nothing that I do to correct you is going to be acknowledged.