Posted on 12/04/2020 7:42:40 AM PST by MNDude
Not to be a buzzkill but, I suspect we will end up with two separate issues here.
—Fraud. It has become patently clear that vote fraud has occurred in certain counties in swing states. That’s probably going to end up being pretty solid.
However, that alone does not keep our President in the WH.
We get to the next issue:
—Was the fraud significant enough to justify the remedy of overturning a presidential election?
This is going to be a very difficult legal question. Can it be shown by a *preponderance of the evidence* that BUT FOR the fraud, Trump would have received more EC votes?
We don’t have precedent for this, so that seems like the logical test for the court to apply.
Just understand that even widespread fraud does not mean that the remedy must be a reversal of outcome.
If the damn state legislatures would take control, it would be a far better outcome than creating the impression that the court “picked”a president.
Jail them all. Once people start getting arrested then info will come out.
By God’s Grace, this IS going to turn for VICTORY. But how? Here’s a scenario: national shutdown + media takeover + continual broadcast of the crimes + military arrests + deep national repentance?
Can we PLEASE get our facts right? The facts are that only a sample was REQUIRED to be hand counted, but Raffensperger ordered that the sample was to be 100% of the ballots, thus ALL paper ballots were hand counted. Every one of them. That was Raffensperger's decision after Garland Favorito urged him to do a 100% hand count. Of course no one is ever satisfied in this, but Raffensperger did us a great favor in having all the paper ballots hand counted. If there had been massive electronic fraud, the election would already have been overturned. But instead, we have people like you who have convinced themselves that we didn't do a 100% hand count in Georgia and use the "risk limited audit" specifications to suggest that. Again, Raffensperger ordered a 100% hand recount instead of a statistical sample.
Your usual disinformation post. The entire state was not recounted. The recount was held in Atlanta, not state-wide.
You have to realize that the hand recount was over two weeks ago. I have not heard anything that suggests any of the Dominion scanners were used in the audit. There is a "controversy" over the reporting system used in the audit and that may be what you are referring to. Garland Favorito objected to the use of the "ARLO" system in reporting the results of the audit. However, the system was approved by the CISA. Here is an article concerning ARLO.
Regardless, two disparate systems came up with the same Election result in Georgia. Fraud would have to have been perpetrated twice in an undetected manner for that to have occurred. Plus, all the personnel at all hand counting centers would have to pretty much be ignorant.
No, not true and ridiculous. I suppose Rafensperger invented all the totals from the hand recount in all of the other 158 counties? Here is the tally and vote differences from the hand recount of ALL of the ballots.
You lie and dissemble. You are the enemy amongst us at FR. Once fraudulent ballots are entered into the legitimate ballots, to back up the manipulated totals, no hand recount will catch anything fraudulent of significance. You know that yet keep trying to lie the way to ignore the fraud by your repeated lies. disgusting troll
What county?
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Researchers have found that few people verify the list of choices on their ballot, but instead just take the ballot generated by the machine and cast it.
Before this election Democrats and Republicans argued against using this type of voting machine. Now the same Democrats are claiming that the machines are foolproof.
Getting a voting machine that had a printed ballot was by court order. Georgia used to have an all electronic system.
I know I checked my ballot and I validated that I did. I saw the Georgia Tech study that indicated it could be problematical to assume ballots are checked by the voter. What the "pure" system that is claimed is for 100% voter marked ballot vs. what Georgia has which is 100% Ballot Marking Device. Thus, the printed ballot is not directly marked upon by the voter.
For me, I am fine with the new system. My first time using it and I checked every selection and had no problems. The paper ballot I cast was later hand counted. If there was massive vote flipping or vote dropping via the QR code printed, it wasn't validated by the hand count of the ballots by the printed summary. For massive fraud, we would have seen very many instances of upset voters who were given a printed ballot without their choices represented. I hear about a few here and there, but nothing that suggests the Chicoms and Iranians were pulling levers from a server in Germany. Or have we already moved on from the Kraken?
Anyway, the issue is pretty simple as regards Georgia and the Presidential race. When you add up the paper ballots cast in the election, Biden won. We better be working on figuring out which or how many of the paper ballots are invalid. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Dominion is a dry hole as regards the Georgia Presidential Preference outcome.
That’s not what Powell and Wood say.
The warning was the pre-election concern about the Bad Orange Man not being willing to concede the election.
Awfully sure of the results. The good news is that their concern is real. Finally, noose you can use!
If you cannot or will not accept the truth, then you are only your own enemy. I like this community. I give monthly automatically. I am not a troll and I am not disgusting. You just don't like to hear what I post and want to just shut me up. tough.
BTW, the issue was you claimed we only hand counted a sample of the ballots in Georgia. Then you claimed they were only 100% counted in Atlanta. I hope my posts have educated you on the truth in regards to the hand recount in Georgia since you don't make yet another new claim about the hand recount in the above. I guess you are settling in on yes, they did a 100% hand recount but balanced out the machine fraud with strategically added or removed ballots. Whatever.
I watched Fredericks live on WR as well but things are dynamic, moving very fast on the ground. Isn’t it possible the impound and inspection crossed during Fredericks live cast appearance?
You will have to be more specific. I know what Powell and Wood say and that is one of the reasons I am so vocal on the subject. I believe they are not helping the cause one bit by focusing on an area where machine fraud had already been disproven as a means of the Presidential election outcome, at least as regards Georgia.
Yep.
But others from different states would be good.
Democrats are going to be pissed. Expect riots.
Looks like it could be a Merry Christmas after all and happy holidays to my Jewish half of the family!
I think that I just read that the Governor had just ordered a total recount and signature check of all ballots.
” machine fraud had already been disproven as a means of the Presidential election outcome, at least as regards Georgia.”
oh really do you have details of this dis proving?
oh really do you have details of this dis proving?
Well, it really is more like will anything be adequate proof for some. But yeah, take a look at this. On the left, results from hand counting the paper ballots. On the right, the comparison to the total reported by machines. The result, no change in the Election outcome IN GEORGIA.
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