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Lichtman Cheats his Own 2020 Prediction Model by Plugging in Fake Facts (Trump will win!)
Free Republic ^ | September 6, 2020 | PoconoPundit

Posted on 09/06/2020 7:18:58 PM PDT by poconopundit

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1 posted on 09/06/2020 7:18:58 PM PDT by poconopundit
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
I noticed that too -- he flipped the answers, deliberately trying to change the result in favor of Biden. His time in the Sun will be done in 2021.

2 posted on 09/06/2020 7:24:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Liz; V K Lee; HarleyLady27; alloysteel; GOPJ; rlmorel; Grampa Dave; thinden; SunkenCiv; ...
FRiends. For your analytical enjoyment. I revisited the investigation I did of Lichtman's election model back in 2016.

Lichtman is really trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes this year. See my interpretation.

Curious if you agree/disagree with my thinking or have other points to make.

By the way, Charlie Kirk has produced his own prediction -- a very different, common sense model -- and it's a really solid piece of analysis explained in a podcast:

10 Indicators That Trump Will Win In November

Check it out!

3 posted on 09/06/2020 7:27:45 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh good to hear, sunkenciv. You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t — oh, you know, THE THING ;-)


4 posted on 09/06/2020 7:29:57 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit
:^)

5 posted on 09/06/2020 7:30:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: poconopundit
I totally agree with you on all points.

The question, of course, as you mentioned, is how blind or duped are our fellow Americans. In some ways, that's ALL this election is about because if you remove the lies and hoaxes and Karen-ish emotional reaction to Trump ... he's a shoe in, and even if you personally don't like him ... are you (royal you) REALLY willing to put your financial security in Biden's hands?

I think the shy/secret voter puts Trump in easily, and/but then of course the dems have their post election mail in prosthetic vote program.

What a year!

6 posted on 09/06/2020 7:37:46 PM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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To: poconopundit

The lefty liars are out in full force this year—it must be a contagious disease or something!


7 posted on 09/06/2020 7:38:19 PM PDT by cgbg (Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
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To: tinyowl
The question, of course, as you mentioned, is how blind or duped are our fellow Americans. In some ways, that's ALL this election is about because if you remove the lies and hoaxes and Karen-ish emotional reaction to Trump ... he's a shoe in, and even if you personally don't like him ... are you (royal you) REALLY willing to put your financial security in Biden's hands?

Exactly. It is not Trump against Biden. It is Trump against the Corporate/Globalist Media.

8 posted on 09/06/2020 7:44:54 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: poconopundit

The facts of this year are so singular I wouldn’t trust any models constructed on these lines


9 posted on 09/06/2020 7:47:27 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ( Beginning my 20th year on FR! 2,500+ replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: tinyowl

Hey tinyowl,

Just the other day I phoned a guy I used to converse with at the local library. Democrat, but not a TDS Democrat.

Took us a while for us to discuss politics.

But the guy frankly admitted on the phone that Biden in shape or form is ready for the Presidency.

So that conversation give me more hope.


10 posted on 09/06/2020 7:50:27 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: j.havenfarm

Good point. This is indeed a unique year. And a very unique candidate on both sides.


11 posted on 09/06/2020 7:51:55 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit

Huh? : (


12 posted on 09/06/2020 7:52:08 PM PDT by Chgogal (ALL lives matter. If you disagree with me, YOU are the racist.)
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Sorry, the guy said Biden is in NO shape to be President.
13 posted on 09/06/2020 7:55:01 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit

“In the face of all this, Lichtman, incredibly, is saying Trump is not charismatic because he believes half the country doesn’t like him. So I guess nobody can measure up to Lichtman’s standard of charisma.”

But this guy accurately predicted Obama’s election in 2008 and 2012? I can GUARANTEE half the country didn’t like him! I guess the difference is Obama didn’t believe it?


14 posted on 09/06/2020 8:00:18 PM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (It's morning in America again!)
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To: poconopundit
Got it - yep ... any maybe it's not SO MUCH the shy/secret Trump VOTER as it is the shy/secret 'I'm not voting'.

Of course unbeknownst to the dem who doesn't vote, the dem party is probably going to cast their vote FOR them by mail, but ... let's hope the Republicans are ready for this. I find it hard to believe Trump is not all over this methodically and under the radar while he distracts and pretends to just be a hothead about it. That's how he tricks them.

15 posted on 09/06/2020 8:03:15 PM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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To: poconopundit

Nice work, thanks.

What a chump Lichtman is. 7 of those 10 elections were gimmes, so in reality he got 2 out of 3. BFD.


16 posted on 09/06/2020 8:07:33 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Spirit of Liberty

Yeah, good point. It would be interesting to see how he scored Obama in past elections. That would be fun to see because then we could easily see inconsistencies.

I’ll do a quick Google search to see. If I find something I’ll report back.


17 posted on 09/06/2020 8:08:59 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: Spirit of Liberty

OK, I found Lichtman’s 2012 analysis here
https://www.informs.org/ORMS-Today/Public-Articles/June-Volume-38-Number-3/Election-2012-The-13-keys-to-the-White-House

And he did not consider Obama charismatic — nor Romney. So at least he was consistent.


18 posted on 09/06/2020 8:17:17 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit

The people’s disgust w/ Obama and Hillary has to be factored in.


19 posted on 09/06/2020 8:21:14 PM PDT by Liz
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To: FirstFlaBn

Very good point. Maybe he was like a Stock Trader — produce many models. The early ones failed till he got smarter. Then when he found a model predicted three elections in a row, he announced to the world that he found the perfect track record model — 1860 to today.

Nice gig for a charlatan when you can get it.


20 posted on 09/06/2020 8:23:25 PM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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