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Court Docs Show Medical Examiner Thought George Floyd Had ‘Fatal Level of Fentanyl’ In His System
The Political Insider ^ | 08/26/2020 | Rusty Weiss

Posted on 08/26/2020 12:45:47 PM PDT by MJacks4

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To: shelterguy

The police were vindicated in Baltimore after the Freddy Gray thing and ensuing riots/ burning down of the town so you don’t know. Ellison May have gotten a little overzealous/ gone too far with the charges against them like the city attorney of Baltimore did.,.


41 posted on 08/26/2020 5:10:14 PM PDT by TeddyRay
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To: TeddyRay

I think the muslim Ellison got what he wanted.

Chaos, burning, looting, murdering. What happens at the trials a year from now won’t matter. He can create another fake crime by then.


42 posted on 08/26/2020 5:29:15 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: shelterguy

I think the counterfeit 20 freaked out a lot of people... and so a web was spun...


43 posted on 08/26/2020 5:32:14 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Mr Radical

It’s put into pills that are counterfeit, resemble prescription pills. This would be absorbed orally and take longer to peak than sublingually.

“Fentanyl traffickers use fentanyl powder and pill presses to produce pills that resemble popular prescription drugs, such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, and Xanax . The pills are sold in illicit U.S. drug markets, and users typically do not realize the pills are laced with fentanyl. The amount of fentanyl intended for each tablet is very small, and operators risk creating hot spots, or areas of higher concentrations of fentanyl in the pills”.

https://aapca3.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Fentanyl-and-Counterfeit-Pills_OnePage.pdf


44 posted on 08/26/2020 8:23:09 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: CommerceComet

This won’t be slam dunk to acquit. The “lethal levels” are not definitively quantified.

https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/treatments/pharmacological/opioids/opioid-blood-levels-chronic-pain-management

“Likewise, patients who take opioids chronically may have blood levels well above what the laboratory reports as a “toxic” level and yet show no signs of intoxication or impairment.”

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/32a1/026762ef64dcfb1c68ab1a85514d17ab3b1c.pdf

“physicians need to be aware of the fact that tolerant patients are often able to function with opioid levels that would be considered “toxic” or even “lethal” if found in a postmortem investigation.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3951636/

“A ME/C must use caution when relying on case studies and published tables of toxicology results, which are often based on a few cases and provide little or no contextual information about specific case details.”

“Postmortem redistribution (PMR) is unpredictable in magnitude and direction and may not occur in every case.”


45 posted on 08/26/2020 8:33:00 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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This won’t be slam dunk to acquit. The “lethal levels” are not definitively quantified.

I don't think that terms like "definitively quantified" is consistent with the idea of raising doubt. To find guilt, the jury will be instructed to conclude guilt only if it is beyond a reasonable doubt. If this report has any validity at all, the job for the prosecution got much harder as it has to show that Floyd's death was not caused by some other factor such as a potential poisonous substance in his system.

46 posted on 08/26/2020 8:54:18 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Joe Biden: Showing his leadership by cowering in the basement like a scared child.)
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To: grumpygresh

Another way of saying what I was trying to say in #46 is that the defense doesn’t have to prove that Floyd died of a drug overdose, only that he could have. Reasonable doubt only requires a plausible alternative that this report seems to provide.


47 posted on 08/26/2020 9:17:07 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Joe Biden: Showing his leadership by cowering in the basement like a scared child.)
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To: CommerceComet

“published tables of toxicology results, which are often based on a few cases and provide little or no contextual information about specific case details.”

If the ME states that Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl, he will have a lot of trouble defending that statement when the existing data on lethal doses is very weak.

On cross examination it won’t look good if the ME bases his diagnosis on scant data. He’ll end up having to decide on whether it’s likely asphyxiation v fentanyl OD. If ME looks ambivalent and Floyd’s expert is not, that’s going to be tough for the cop’s defense.

Finding out the level will be important.

Floyd’s mental status before he was apprehended by the cop will be key.


48 posted on 08/26/2020 9:30:54 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: CommerceComet

You know, I wish that juries did take the reasonable doubt standard seriously, but they do not. I think there has been a change over the past 20-30 years.

I have seen enough cases where doctors were charged or convicted of wrongful death when the patient ODed on multiple drug combinations, reckless use of prescription drugs and suicides. Even when the patients had safely used these medications on stable doses for years.


49 posted on 08/26/2020 9:39:28 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: grumpygresh

Thnx for the link/info.
I don’t know how to fully interpret the autopsy numbers, but 11ng/mL of fentanyl in the sample would equal about 0.79 milligrams total in his bloodstream (if my math is correct). Plus the Norfentanyl that had already been metabolised.


50 posted on 08/27/2020 12:46:16 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: grumpygresh
You know, I wish that juries did take the reasonable doubt standard seriously, but they do not.

I guess it only takes one juror who does to get a hung jury. The protesters claim they want justice for George Floyd. I hope all involved get justice. If the cops' actions resulted in Floyd's death, then I hope they get convicted (although I'm not sure about 1st degree murder as charged as I don't see intent) but if the cops weren't responsible, then I hope they are acquitted.

51 posted on 08/27/2020 5:18:36 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Joe Biden: Showing his leadership by cowering in the basement like a scared child.)
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