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Trump Right to Honor Harriet Tubman, a Black Gun-Toting Republican Who Freed Democrats’ Slaves
Noisy Room ^ | July 6, 2020 | Daniel John Sobieski

Posted on 07/08/2020 4:53:12 PM PDT by raptor22

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To: yarddog

Same with the Culpepper spy ring. Clandestine activities leave very little documentary record. It’s a feature, not a problem.


21 posted on 07/08/2020 6:13:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: yarddog

The quilt signal story was debunked years ago, but the Underground Railroad existed and was assisted by abolitionist churches.

They (historians) know who the “conductors” were that helped slaves get to Canada. I can point out the houses here with the secret rooms. YOU need to come back and apologize after research.


22 posted on 07/08/2020 6:13:21 PM PDT by madison10
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To: yarddog
Alittle Ohio History

Side A: The Underground Railroad of Hancock County. The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 prompted an expansion of the "Underground Railroad," and as the state spanning the shortest distance between the Ohio River and Canada, Ohio saw heavy traffic in escaping slaves in the decades before the Civil War. Hancock County was home to many sympathetic residents who defied fugitive slave laws to help conduct slaves to freedom.

"Stationmasters" offered safe havens, "conductors" accompanied fugitives through the county, and "stockholders" provided financial support and misled pursuers. Known stations were located mainly along the Perrysburg Road, now U.S. Highway 68. (continued on other side) Side B: Same. (Continued from other side) David Adams, a free black barber in Findlay, watched his father and grandfather assist fugitive slaves as a child in Urbana.

In the 1850s he conducted scores of "passengers" northward from Findlay. Other Hancock County stations included the farms of John Woods, John King, and Judge Robert Strother; other conductors included Robert Hurd and Joel Markle. Other local participants in America's first struggle for civil rights: William Baldwin; Francis Bartley; Dr. Belizur Beach; Henry and P.D. Bigelow; Ezra Brown; Job Chamberlin; David J. Cory; C.A. Croninger; William McCaughey; Hugh Newell; Charles O'Neal; Jonathan Parker; Henry Porch; Bass Rawson; James Spaythe; William Taylor; Jesse Wheeler; James Woods.

Because of its secrecy, the extent of the local Underground Railroad may never be known

23 posted on 07/08/2020 6:29:45 PM PDT by madison10
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To: raptor22
Not this stupidity again. Evidently, this Sobieski guy is just another jackass in the mold of Dinesh D'Souza who can't think past party affiliation to see the wider issues.

Is there any doubt that if "Republican" Tubman were around today, she'd be a Black Lives Matter activist? And apparently, according to Sobieski, we're supposed to admire her because she was "gun toting." Back in the 60's, Black Panthers were also "gun toting." Are we supposed to admire them too? Why not put Huey Newton on the $20 while we're at it? Idiots.

24 posted on 07/08/2020 9:26:47 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: madison10

Because the heroes of which you speak include such luminaries as the sadistic mass murderer Nat Turner, while Tubman was a supporter and admirer of the lunatic John Brown, who by any rational standard was a terrorist.


25 posted on 07/08/2020 9:33:52 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Is there any doubt that if "Republican" Tubman were around today, she'd be a Black Lives Matter activist?

Do you even read what you write?   You cannot put historical figures into our time and claim to know how they would think and believe.

Would it be proper and accurate for anyone to say, is there any doubt that if "ek_hornbeck" were around back in 1850, he would be a white devil slave master and beat every one of his slaves every day for the fun of it?   Of course not.   That is the mentality of the BLM and Antifa Marxists.   Stop doing that.

26 posted on 07/08/2020 11:13:43 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: yarddog

“Mother used scraps sewed together for the tops and bottoms.”

I love scrap quilts. Mostly now, people go to fabric shops, buy expensive yardage, go home, cut it up in little pieces, and then sew it back together again. Our ancestors would be shocked. ;)


27 posted on 07/09/2020 2:19:12 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: SkyDancer
She was one woman - so even that is a notable feat.

Do you think she should've gone all "Rambo" and swept through the country?

28 posted on 07/09/2020 2:57:36 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: raptor22

John Brown of Harpers Ferry fame said that Harriet Tubman was the bravest person he’d ever met. He called her “The General”. He asked her to join his rebellion organization, but fortunately she declined. Before she began her initial run for freedom, before returning south to start the “Underground Railroad”, escorting blacks north to freedom, she had one prayer to God: “As a human being, I am entitled to either freedom or death, and I am going to have one of them”. IMHO, That has a Patrick Henry sort of ring to it.


29 posted on 07/09/2020 3:20:19 AM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: trebb

No, they’re making her out to be some sort of hero saving escaped slaves when the only people she saved were her own relatives.


30 posted on 07/09/2020 5:12:06 AM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Pilots: Looking Down On People Since 1903 ~)
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To: Tucker39
“As a human being, I am entitled to either freedom or death, and I am going to have one of them”
Amen to that, Harriet Tubman!
31 posted on 07/09/2020 7:35:30 AM PDT by olepap
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To: SkyDancer
I understand - but that doesn't take away what a woman did. Under the same conditions, I probably would have taken the rescued relatives and called it a proper day's work too.

I agree the generic statement is disingenuous but it doesn't/shouldn't detract from what she did accomplish.

32 posted on 07/09/2020 7:43:35 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb

They’re trying to make her out as some hero for all which she wasn’t.


33 posted on 07/09/2020 9:00:18 AM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Pilots: Looking Down On People Since 1903 ~)
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To: higgmeister
Do you even read what you write? You cannot put historical figures into our time and claim to know how they would think and believe.

...but in contrast, I guess that according to you it's OK to make completely asinine statements like "Andrew Jackson was a liberal like Chuck Schumer because he was a Democrat" (or saying that Harriet Tubman or John Brown were heroes because they were Republicans), while completely ignoring the fact that the issues that divided Democrats and Republicans over a century and a half ago have absolutely nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans today.

It makes a lot more sense to project forward based on someone's actions (i.e. a racial radical 150 years ago would probably be a racial radical today) than to project backward based on political party label.

34 posted on 07/11/2020 11:01:06 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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