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Are Coronavirus / COVID-19 Case Numbers Being Manipulated?
You Tube ^ | July 2, 2020 | Fog City Midge

Posted on 07/03/2020 3:26:28 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner

LOOK AT THIS! 👀 Are Coronavirus / COVID-19 cases spiking more because they have CHANGED the way that they are CALCULATED? It sure seems that way.

Source document referenced in the video https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jy9hyl6iqjas6e/NEW%20Covid-19%20Case%20Definions.pdf?dl=0


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KEYWORDS: covid; yes

1 posted on 07/03/2020 3:26:28 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

I assume that headline is a rhetorical question.


2 posted on 07/03/2020 3:27:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

I would like to know exactly what the CDC rules were for detrmining both cases and deaths in recent pandemics and epidemics. The ~60,000 deaths in 2012 would surely have been much higher if today’s frequently changing rules were applied then.


3 posted on 07/03/2020 3:38:07 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Yes. Next.....


4 posted on 07/03/2020 3:42:23 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Of course the numbers are being manipulated


5 posted on 07/03/2020 3:44:31 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

It would be fun to determine current death rates but exclude those attributed to covid-19. My guess is death rates from other “causes” have plummeted!


6 posted on 07/03/2020 3:46:07 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

The answer is yes.


7 posted on 07/03/2020 3:57:01 PM PDT by Trumpnado2016 (Fauci lied and the MAGA economy died.)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

That is the slide deck presented at a recent Collin County TX Commissioners Court. It presented the new category of “probable” for which there were some 15 different was to become “probable”. It was discussed by the county leaders but as of today they are NOT using it nor reporting “probable”. They only are reporting confirmed by Swab test positive in their daily updates. I too watched the Alex Jones video, other videos and have a copy of that slide deck. I reached out an confirmed what I just wrote personally with a County official who I trust.

I do believe the death count as well as some other statistics are bison manipulated especially in blue states but this particular item is not being used.


8 posted on 07/03/2020 3:57:13 PM PDT by Cold War Veteran - Submarines
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To: Spok
My guess is death rates from other “causes” have plummeted!

What an excellent idea and with this having gone on for several months, there is more than enough data to make the comparison to year over year data.

9 posted on 07/03/2020 4:06:55 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Not going to watch the idiocy LOL!
Whatever side they’re on, this backs them LOL!

And I don’t care. It’s just silly.


10 posted on 07/03/2020 4:12:06 PM PDT by mrsmith (US Media: "Every cop is a criminal; ALL the sinners saints!")
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

One look at an individual state’s link at WorldoMeter will show that deaths are inflated, and that only takes seconds.

Read about “deaths among Covid-19 cases”.


11 posted on 07/03/2020 4:33:12 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Just sit in your house until the food stops coming and then starve. You'll be safe.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

4 Jul: Reuers: Several U.S. states post record COVID cases, curfew ordered in Miami Reporting by Nathan Layne, Gabriella Borter, Peter Szekely and Christine Chan; Writing by Alistair Bell and Nathan Layne; Editing by Howard Goller and Daniel Wallis
“We know that the spread is going to happen. We know probably in about two weeks we’ll see a spike from the July 4th weekend,” (Bill Saffo, mayor of Wilmington, North Carolina) told CNN.
Despite the jump in infections, the daily death rate in the United States has remained relatively flat, a reflection of the growing proportion of positive tests among younger, healthier people who are less prone to severe outcomes...

Trump, whose handling of the pandemic has come under harsh criticism from Democrats and some Republicans, has repeatedly sought to dismiss the jump in cases as a function of more tests and again this week predicted the virus would “disappear.”...

***Owais Durrani, a resident at University Hospital in San Antonio, said nearly all the patients coming into the emergency room tested positive for COVID-19 - even those admitted for unrelated issues such as gall bladder infections.
“We, in my opinion, need to go into a complete lockdown and we’re still going to see an increase in all of those metrics for two to three weeks and then maybe we turn a corner,” he said...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/several-u-s-states-post-record-covid-cases-curfew-ordered-in-miami-idUSKBN24427B

13 Jun: San Antonio Express-News: University Hospital tapped for statewide COVID-19 testing
by Laura Garcia
Under a $4 million agreement, University Health System will process COVID-19 tests for patients across Texas.
Hospital officials said this week that its lab is running up to 1,500 coronavirus samples per day on two new automated systems manufactured by Switzerland-based pharmaceutical company Roche...

CHART: Daily Bexar County coronavirus positivity rate (CHECK RISE IN TESTS SINCE 13 JUNE)
https://www.expressnews.com/business/health-care/article/University-Hospital-tapped-for-statewide-COVID-19-15336955.php

***will re-visit Dr. Durrani in a follow-up comment.

1 Jul: News4SanAntonio: San Antonio hospitals to receive 815 nurses to curb shortage amid COVID-19 spike
by Joe Galli
SAN ANTONIO - Right now, hundreds of nurses from across the state are on their way to San Antonio hospitals to help the hundreds of patients suffering from COVID-19...
At the University Hospital System for example, they are able to free up about 70 more beds now. However, the need for nurses and all of our hospitals is still very high.
A total of 815 critical care nurses are on their way to San Antonio hospitals right now with 565 of those coming from the state hospital system and the other 250 from the U.S. Navy.

“You got a lot of physical bed space but we need more help so bringing in additional nurses is a great great step forward,” Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff said.
If you look at capacity for our entire hospital system we have 25% of the bed space available...

“What’s striking right now is one in four people who are being admitted to the hospital are going there because they’ve been infected with COVID-19,” Mayor Nirenberg said...

If hospitals do reach capacity, coronavirus patients will be sent to the Texas Center for Infectious Disease. And if that fills up, 250 hospital beds are ready to go at the Freeman Coliseum...
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/san-antonio-hospitals-working-to-increase-bed-space-for-potential-patients-with-covid-19


12 posted on 07/03/2020 5:08:11 PM PDT by MAGAthon (h)
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To: MAGAthon

***back to Dr. Durrani/San Antonio:

US coronavirus CASES are near top of news bulletins worldwide, despite having less than half deaths per million than Belgium, home of the EU, which is never mentioned, and way behind UK and Italy.

19m18s in:
ABC brings up re-openings with Khan after the very first question.

AUDIO: 30m09s: US: new surge in CASES.
guests:
Dr Ali Khan is an epidemiologist at the University of Nebraska Medical Centre
***Dr Owais Durrani, emergency doctor, San Antonio, Texas
Durrani/Texas: back in March/April, probably saw 3-4 covid patients in our hospital; now patients are 80% with covid-related illnesses, and the other 20% who come in for other things we test them and a bunch of them are positive as well. if trends don’t change in a couple of weeks, there will be space/staffing/equipment issues.
ABC: what went wrong - re-opening too quickly.
Durrani thinks so.
ABC: Masks. ENDS 26m25s.

26m27s in: Masks/Trump
Samuel Cohn, historian, University of Glasgow
Masks during Spanish flu/1918.
Cohn: by 1919, the scientific consensus was that masks didn’t do very much.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/am/hong-kong-future/12409684


13 posted on 07/03/2020 5:09:47 PM PDT by MAGAthon (h)
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To: MAGAthon

remember Italy’s initial problem was the rush to hospital by people suspecting they might have the virus, overwhelming the system:

2 Jul: News4SanAntonio: Emergency rooms seeing increase in both COVID patients and those who ***suspect they have it
by Darian Trotter
SAN ANTONIO - Local hospitals say they’ve seen an increase in COVID-19 patients driving themselves to the hospital, or having a family member drop them off.
Others with more serious complications are being taken by ambulance...
During the past two weeks, emergency room doctors have seen an increase of patients - those who haven’t been diagnosed with COVID-19 but are experiencing symptoms.

***”Who are unaware of what’s going on so they want to be checked out,” said Ralph Riviello, Chairman of ER Medicine at University Hospital System & UT Health San Antonio.
They’re also seeing patients who have previously tested positive.
“And their coming in because they’re having worsening symptoms,” Riviello said.

They say 70 percent of patients seen in the emergency room are for COVID-related symptoms.
“Most of the patients are having symptoms of fever, chills, body aches,” said Dr. Corey Harrison with CHRISTUS Santa Rosa Medical Center.
Riviello said, “Cough, loss of taste, loss of smell, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea.”
But not all require emergency room care...

Harrison said, “Most of the treatments that have been developed have been developed for the critically ill patients who are on ventilators or require oxygen support. So if you have mild symptoms there’s really not a lot of benefit to coming to the emergency room department.”
Doctors we talked to say, if you suspect you have COVID and have mild symptoms contact your primary care physician or any of a number of area clinics for testing. They say to avoid flooding emergency rooms.
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/emergency-rooms-seeing-increase-in-both-covid-patients-and-those-who-suspect-they-have-it


14 posted on 07/03/2020 5:15:14 PM PDT by MAGAthon (h)
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To: MAGAthon

now the spin from WaPo:

2 Jul: WaPo: As coronavirus cases skyrocket across Texas, hospitals grapple with patient influxes
By Arelis R. Hernández and Frances Stead Sellers; Laurie McGinley contributed to this report.
SAN ANTONIO — When Clay Johnston, dean of the Dell Medical School at the University of Texas at Austin, saw a model of how the coronavirus might ravage the state after stay-at-home orders were lifted, he was incredulous.
“I didn’t believe it,” Johnston said.

Now health-care workers across Texas are seeing those alarming predictions come true, with overwhelmed testing centers, lines at emergency rooms and crowded intensive care units, where it is difficult to maintain adequate numbers of specialized staff.
Many hospitals in the state are dealing with a mounting influx of coronavirus patients and, in some places, shortages of the drug known to be effective in those who are critically ill with covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, plus staffing shortages.

Case numbers in Texas are three times as high as they were in April, and now the curve that the state flattened with its stay-at-home order is more of an upward arrow. The state saw record-high case counts over the past week, averaging nearly 6,300 a day. More than 175,000 Texans have tested positive for covid-19 and 2,525 have died...
“This is actually what the model predicted for a pretty open society,” Johnston said. “It goes up. It continues to go up,” he said...

Ricardo Cigarroa, an internist and cardiologist at Laredo Medical Center, said Thursday that the hospital has run out of remdesivir, the antiviral medication used to treat seriously ill patients.
The drug “helped tremendously,” he said. “For all of our sick patients who were close to being intubated, and the ones who were already intubated, it was helpful.”...

Over the past four months, hospitals in Texas tried to control for everything in their power. Public health leaders warned about inadequacies with testing, contact tracing, public policy and inconsistent messaging. But they could not control what might have prevented this moment: the behavior of individual Texans.
The surge of cases — reflecting the activity of recent weeks, including Memorial Day gatherings — has awakened concerns about hospital capacity, particularly in intensive care units...
“You’ve got nurses who are bracing themselves — they are bracing for impact. They are scared,” Bumpus said. “When this is all said and done — will there be more layoffs? Will there be furloughs? Because we’ve already experienced that without the surge.”...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/as-coronavirus-cases-skyrocket-across-texas-hospitals-grapple-with-patient-influxes/2020/07/02/53a9f5fe-b9a9-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html


15 posted on 07/03/2020 5:38:34 PM PDT by MAGAthon (h)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Duh...i dunno...

Geez...yeah...for months now!


16 posted on 07/03/2020 5:53:03 PM PDT by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: Cold War Veteran - Submarines

Cold War Veteran - Submarines wrote:

“That is the slide deck presented at a recent Collin County TX Commissioners Court. It presented the new category of “probable” for which there were some 15 different was to become “probable”. It was discussed by the county leaders but as of today they are NOT using it nor reporting “probable”. They only are reporting confirmed by Swab test positive in their daily updates. I too watched the Alex Jones video, other videos and have a copy of that slide deck. I reached out an confirmed what I just wrote personally with a County official who I trust.

I do believe the death count as well as some other statistics are bison manipulated especially in blue states but this particular item is not being used.”

Yes, you are correct.

The Collin County county judge, Chris Hill has said the same thing: they are counting only the positive swab tests as cases in the updates.


17 posted on 07/03/2020 6:18:27 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Without a doubt.


18 posted on 07/03/2020 7:52:34 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: Cold War Veteran - Submarines
I do believe the death count as well as some other statistics are bison manipulated especially in blue states but this particular item is not being used.

Thanks for the info.

19 posted on 07/03/2020 11:11:09 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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And yet nobody is looking into why the reporting has changed and what is causing the rising numbers.
Hint - COVID-19 Pandemic Response, Laboratory Data Reporting: CARES Act Section 18115Public Law 116-136, § 18115(a), the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, requires “every laboratory that performs or analyzes a test that is intended to detect SARS-CoV-2 or to diagnose a possible case of COVID-19” to report the results from each such test to the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). In addition, the statute authorizes the Secretary to prescribe the form and manner, and timing and frequency, of such reporting. This document outlines the requirements for data submission to HHS as authorized under this law.
20 posted on 07/04/2020 12:57:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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