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To: DiogenesLamp

This is both a logical error and a factual error. The document says that “the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them”.

That was Jefferson’s error. Are you saying that those idiots in Chop/Chaz get to have their country just because they think they should? How about the Ahwazi in Iran? They’re oppressed, their oil fields are being appropriated by their oppressor to spread terrorism and death throughout the world, and do you seriesly think they can just march up to the Ayatollahs and say “we’re entitled to our own country because you’re big fat meanies”? Bad thing to say to an evil dictator. How about Hong Kong? They want indepenence no less than Jefferson or Jefferson Davis. But to gain independence, you have to go through a crucible in order to earn it. Nobody’s “entitled” just because Jefferson said they are.

See there? It’s a right granted by God.

It’s a right to win your independence. The only people who did not have to do that were the Children of Israel in Egypt, because G-d stepped in directly. And that was just one time. Against the Greeks and the British, we had to fight and it was a near thing.

As for your logical error, if you have the power to win, you don’t have to iterate a right. You don’t need “rights” because you have power.

And how many times have powerless, weak people won against a mighty nation. The South might have won, but did not. The Maccabees were weak but beat the mighty Greeks, and their descendants beat the British. The American colonies were weak, but they beat the British. India beat the British—not with weapons—but with Satyagraha, which nullified their adversary’s considerable power. The British sure got beat a lot. But they had power.


250 posted on 06/17/2020 4:59:51 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: Eleutheria5
That was Jefferson’s error.

The Declaration of Independence was drafted by a committee of which Jefferson was a member, and then approved by the representatives of all the states. Whatever was written on it is what the states agreed to.

Are you saying that those idiots in Chop/Chaz get to have their country just because they think they should?

In what bizzaro world are you equating a bunch of immature soy boy anarchists seizing a couple of blocks of a left wing lunatic city with 13 states with about 2 1/2 million in population declaring a right to independence from the British Union?

And how many times have powerless, weak people won against a mighty nation.

1776. 1812.

266 posted on 06/18/2020 5:53:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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