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'We're on the edge of the precipice': How the pandemic could shatter college dreams
Politico ^ | 4/12/20 | Bianca Quilantan

Posted on 04/13/2020 1:14:31 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: SanchoP

There’s a group of eight guys who work as contractors at a large facility where I work also, as a contractor for another company.

They’re all in the 49ers union as ‘engineers’ and do things like run heavy equipment, maintain the gravel roads and lots at the facility, plow snow, do general repairs, and use vacuum trucks to clean out containment drains.

Most of those guys have been there 12-15 years, have tech school educations, if that, and make somewhere around 38-40 bucks an hour, 60 on overtime, and triple-time on holidays. They’re probably pulling down six figures also.

There’s some danger in what they do, and some of their duties are dirty and smelly, but they’re competent and capable, show up every day, and they never seem to be in a hurry. They have it pretty good overall, all with a two-year certificate from a tech school.


41 posted on 04/13/2020 4:45:23 AM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Libloather

Dear busted dreams snowflake,

Learn how to code. You may not even have to leave your mommy’s basement bedroom


42 posted on 04/13/2020 5:10:06 AM PDT by Oscar in Batangas ( (January 20, 2017, High Noon. The end of an error.))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I don’t think there are very many understanding that America has already undergone a permanent transfiguration.


43 posted on 04/13/2020 5:17:59 AM PDT by knarf
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Some high school seniors are dropping their first-choice schools in favor of colleges that are cheaper and closer to home, early surveys have found. Others are thinking about going part-time, or taking a gap year so they can work and bail out families whose breadwinners are suddenly out of work.

Do you mean they might have to do what we, who graduated from high school in the 1970s, actually did? Some of us, like Sarah Palin, took seven years or so to finish college and were branded as "stupid" by the media boys and girls as a result.

44 posted on 04/13/2020 5:19:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: NorthWoody

The heavy equipment operators out of the Teamsters in Vegas were making $45 an hour in 2005. There’s no telling what they make now.


45 posted on 04/13/2020 5:25:33 AM PDT by SanchoP
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To: stremba
A degree from a local state university can do just as much for a kid as an expensive private school degree.

True, but it's access to the alumni that justifies these elite schools. After all, why would anyone spend 100's of thousands of dollars more for the same degree.

46 posted on 04/13/2020 5:28:03 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: Libloather

“We’re on the edge of the precipice,”

How many times have I heard that over the past 3 1/2 years?


47 posted on 04/13/2020 5:29:30 AM PDT by maddog55
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To: voicereason

That may be okay for kids who are looking to go into certain fields, such as government/politics where such connections might be a necessity. However the vast majority of kids won’t need that prestigious Ivy League (or other private school) degree to succeed. Kids who want to go into science, engineering, nursing and other such professions likely would be better served in the long run by going to a cheaper school. Once you break into a field, your degree hardly matters anymore anyway in most jobs. Your degree really only gets you your first job; any other jobs, promotions, etc. are based on with experience and performance.

I’m not saying that the private schools aren’t a good option for some. However, it is wise to make a thorough evaluation of one’s career goals before shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a prestigious degree. For many, similar results can be obtained at “lesser” schools for less money. Too often kids automatically think that they have to go to the “best” schools without even giving thought to why they’re going to college and what their goals are.


48 posted on 04/13/2020 6:18:07 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Libloather

Here come the “Women and Minorities Hardest Hit” stories.

All the other attacks on Trump aren’t working, so here comes the Race Card.


49 posted on 04/13/2020 6:19:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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50 posted on 04/13/2020 6:20:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Libloather

Lots of free classes online. Community colleges are inexpensive.

Maybe it takes six years.

If it means something, they will find a way.


51 posted on 04/13/2020 6:24:01 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Yes. This would be a good thing.


52 posted on 04/13/2020 6:44:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Libloather
I daresay many would be better off skipping college altogether and entering the work force. Preferably as an "apprentice" learning a trade such as plumbing, electrician, woodworker, construction, etc.

Certainly go to college if you need to learn a profession, such as engineering, medicine, law, etc. Also, nothing wrong with going to college (if you can afford it without taking out loans) to learn the "liberal arts" but don't expect to have a degree in liberal arts be the basis of your career. You need a profession or a trade. I love history and I probably should have a PhD in it based on the books I've read over the years but that has no bearing on how I support myself and my family.

53 posted on 04/13/2020 6:53:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Everyone could see this coming. Colleges have become an expensive post high school party and a safe space day care center for pre adults.online undergrad degrees with a really expensive post grad degree will be the new normal.Democrats need the real estate grab nationwide. The planned communities are the realagenda and has been for decades. Many colleges already have expensive luxury student housing complexes with unbelievable bells and whistles.


54 posted on 04/13/2020 6:58:11 AM PDT by cnsmom
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To: SkyPilot

You nailed it, SkyPilot.

It’s sickening what a college education has become in the bloated cost era.

I agree with another comment here that 2/3rds of colleges could dissolve and it wouldn’t effect our economy at all.

We have not begun to fully explore the power of on-line learning and creative workplace learning.


55 posted on 04/13/2020 7:08:15 AM PDT by poconopundit (Joe Biden has long been the Senate's court jester. He's 24/7 malarkey and more corrupt than Hunter.)
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To: SanchoP

Utility transmission workers can make over $200K. These are the people that maintain/work on electrical transmission lines. So, yes there is the height issue, plus the danger of electrocution. However, it is not nearly as dangerous as fishing in the Bering Sea or logging in the Pacific Northwest.

The young man next door is pursuing a career in the maintenance of wind turbines. I know we all make fun of them here. However, somebody has to keep those blades turning once the are up they are up there ruining our view and killing birds.


56 posted on 04/13/2020 7:10:58 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (uestion.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Here in NH the community colleges have taken the place of the former vocational tech schools. The Nashua CC used to be called the VoTech for short. I know the president of the NCC. She tells me her most in demand graduates are currently the auto body shop program. The graduates are getting signing bonuses. Many graduates are sponsored by the local car dealers. Same story with their automotive repair curriculum.

Here in Nashua the former ITT Daniel Webster college shut down a year or two ago. It had three very successful aviation programs that had been around for 40+ years associated with the local Nashua airport. One was commercial pilot training. It was one of the few non military options in the country where a graduate was hired by the major airlines. Another program was airplane mechanics. The last program was air traffic controllers.
It was greatly supported by the FAA center here in Nashua.
This FAA facility controls all USA flights east of Cleveland once they leave their respective airports.

These are all valuable and needed programs, IMHO. My NCC friend has told me she is trying to get all three of these programs incorporated into her college.


57 posted on 04/13/2020 7:27:06 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (uestion.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I lived in Derry for a few years. I loved Nashua...they had the only decent mall around.

I did not know that DWC shut down. I had seen the large FAA building there. I was not aware of what they handled—just assumed it was traffic out of Logan.


58 posted on 04/13/2020 7:29:51 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Dr. Pritchett
Some high school seniors are dropping their first-choice schools in favor of colleges that are cheaper and closer to home

They should be doing this anyway.

59 posted on 04/13/2020 7:41:14 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: dfwgator; SunkenCiv

You saw that “Women and minorities” hit worst as well, eh? Notice the story was “farmed” BY a woman and minority who was only tracking, what, 20 people? for her paper?


60 posted on 04/13/2020 11:01:33 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but ABCNNBCBS donates every hour, every night, every day of the year.)
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