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Data Manipulation Right Here at Home?
The Western Journal ^ | April 4, 2020 | C. Douglas Golden

Posted on 04/05/2020 1:08:19 PM PDT by Old Man From WV

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To: Artemis Webb

“*test, not text. Damn spell correct!”

What if texting them is what gave them the virus in the first place?

For the FluBros - that was a joke.


21 posted on 04/05/2020 2:03:38 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: lepton; SauronOfMordor

“You know: Just like with the flu, or a staph infection.”

Or a gunshot wound or a train wreck.


22 posted on 04/05/2020 2:06:03 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: lepton

Sorry, I don’t see your point. You cited death stats since last Monday which would be after the March 24th directive from the CDC to change the policy.


23 posted on 04/05/2020 2:06:32 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
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To: Old Man From WV

There is always data manipulation. The cops manipulate statistics to make the crime rate appear lower. The schools manipulate data to make it appear kids are learning. The “scientists” manipulate temperature readings to create a narrative about global warming. And so on...

...No surprise that the establishment will want to justify their extreme measures by manipulating the death toll higher. Ironically, the exact opposite of what the Chinese are doing, manipulating the data to show fewer deaths.


24 posted on 04/05/2020 2:11:20 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: SauronOfMordor

If they die one second earlier because CCP-19 hastened their death, CCP-19 killed them.

It’s what this disease, and many others, do - weaken you and accelerate your death.

Of course, this is petty quibbling. One second is a logical extreme that serves to illustrate the point. Most people that die of CCP-19 accelerated causes would have had months, years or even decades before their “normal” death. Who knows if a cure or treatment would have been discovered before then?

And people that might have had a disease, might not have died from it, except it snowballed from the effects of CCP-19.


25 posted on 04/05/2020 2:12:27 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: Artemis Webb

There is immediate. There is underlying.

Presumptive positive shouldn’t count as either if the data is going to be used as an argument for economic suicide.


26 posted on 04/05/2020 2:13:22 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

By your logic, nobody dies of the flu, or from HIV, or from the common cold.

All those coroners have some explaining to do, I guess.


27 posted on 04/05/2020 2:14:34 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: monkeyshine

Excellent points, sir. I guess my concern was their motivation this time.


28 posted on 04/05/2020 2:18:45 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
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To: lepton

Yes!


29 posted on 04/05/2020 2:22:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (NYers fleeing NY are presumed to be infected. They should be tested/quarantined in any other state!)
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To: Artemis Webb
test, not text. Damn spell correct!

I was gonna ax you abou that...

30 posted on 04/05/2020 2:25:28 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (AOC the bartender would have had to work on the second floor at Miss KittyÂ’s saloon...)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

This was a great read!

From what I’ve read, the vast majority of deaths attributed to Covid-19 are actually due to a combination of it with other pre-existing conditions.

So, shouldn’t they be honest with that on the death certificate? Placing other factors on page 2 doesn’t quite cut it. IMO


31 posted on 04/05/2020 2:34:02 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
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To: Artemis Webb
The real question is, how much Federal money is being spent on additional resources in New York because the state is fudging its coronavirus numbers?

It would be pretty naive to think Andrew Cuomo and NY Democrats are capable of playing that game.

32 posted on 04/05/2020 2:43:53 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: calenel

I wouldn’t care, except they are misleading everyone into thinking all these people are dropping dead soly from Covid. So people panic, and accept self-quarantine and killing our economy. It’s manipulative as hell, and just an awful thing to do to us.

Most everyone who learns that for healthy people, your odds of dying from Covid-19 is 3 in 10,000, get furious from the deception. So they hide it, on purpose.

It’s flat out deception, to hide their real motives and agenda. Which is socialism, via complete dependence on government. They want to force universal basic income down our throats, by forcing us plebes to all go bankrupt and take their friken handouts, forever.

3 months of this, and we’ll have 50 million brand new welfare dependents. And the worst part is it’s deplorables who lose first. Small business owners, independent contractors, entrepreneurs. Forced to take monthly stipends because they created a depression, on purpose.

Control Freaks are joyous!


33 posted on 04/05/2020 2:47:42 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 page Collyer Report!!!)
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To: lepton

You are correct sir!
I think average NYC deaths are a little lower, I got 158, but maybe a little higher in March.
from Quora - 1 death every 9 minutes, 158 per day, 57,000 per year
And this for the City of New York, not the State.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-in-New-York-every-day


34 posted on 04/05/2020 3:07:42 PM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: Old Man From WV

Sorry, I don’t see your point. You cited death stats since last Monday which would be after the March 24th directive from the CDC to change the policy.


Because there has been a large enough surge in deaths that it outweighs the numbers from all other causes combined. Mis-categorization of *everything* (even assuming no drop in ‘normal’ deaths from the lockdown) would not account for this level of rise (from 202 deaths/day normal, to 292/day from the Wuhan coronavirus).


35 posted on 04/05/2020 3:11:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Old Man From WV

You don’t say...
...
https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/


36 posted on 04/05/2020 3:15:41 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Be still, and know that I am God...Psalm 46:10)
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To: Old Man From WV
NEVER thought I'd say this, but with each passing day I am losing my faith in Trump. If he can't see he's being taken for one sick ride by the deep state global cabal by FRAUDS like Fauci, Birx and Jerome whatever, we are totally screwed.

Wouldn't surprise me if many of the initial videos coming out of China of pleading doctors and hospitals full of bodies in hallways was ENTIRELY staged to enable our HOSTILE media to HYPE the panic, thus triggering massive shutdowns in the U.S. thereby WRECKING our economy. I'm not saying the Wuhan virus isn't real but IMO it's no greater threat than the TYPICAL FLU so this MEDIA HYPE is meant to KILL TRUMP'S ECONOMIC SUCCESSES AS WELL AS HIS RE-ELECTION BID.

Furthermore, if this DEMPANIC is going to be SEASONAL, what's the point of lock-downs?

When Trump LIFTS the lock downs and bans, watch the COMMIE Governors of California and NY KEEP THE LOCK DOWNS IN PLACE. THAT'S when the fun starts, people. I'm talking CIVIL WAR time, folks, but then again the DEEP STATE MASTERS OF THIS CONSPIRACY ARE PROBABLY HOPING FOR THAT.

37 posted on 04/05/2020 3:16:37 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: brookwood

Mine was a back-of-the-napkin count, based upon proportion of NYC/NY deaths/year by population from data at hand. Regardless, the point holds (perhaps even more strongly than I thought) - the number dying from COVID-19 in NYC dwarfs any mis-categorization issues.


38 posted on 04/05/2020 3:17:55 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Trump.Deplorable

Die from complications of AIDS? Coronavirus

Self inflicted gunshot wound? Coronavirus


39 posted on 04/05/2020 3:24:14 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: brookwood; lepton
164 a day in winter. More in bad flu years. 140 a day in summer. http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2015sum.pdf Winter deaths are higher by 10% in the US on average (more in bad flu years). In NYC deaths are 15% higher in winter. I keep telling that to the global warming alarmists but they don't listen.
40 posted on 04/05/2020 3:26:34 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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