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The Terrible Truth About Star Trek's Transporters
SyFy ^ | February 19, 2020 | Cassidy Ward

Posted on 02/20/2020 6:45:35 AM PST by C19fan

After more than 50 years on the air, Star Trek has become a sort of universal vision of the future. Where other stories imagine a world torn by war, or at the mercy of technology run wild, Star Trek imagines, if not the best possible future, one very close to it.

Creator Gene Roddenberry's vision of humanity in the 23rd and 24th centuries unifies the planet, does away with grand-scale internal conflict, erases the need for a money-based economy, and opens up a whole galaxy of possibilities for the human species. The result is a people working together to create art, advance science, and explore the cosmos. We break the light-speed barrier, visit strange new worlds, enjoy lifelike virtual reality simulations, and crack teleportation. Distances both near and far are within our grasp. It's a veritable utopia, challenged only by external threats. Or at least it was, until Star Trek: Picard premiered.

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TOPICS: Science; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: quantum; scifi; startrek
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To: cuban leaf

You’re put into your “biological cleansing” unit, cleaned, spun in rinse cycle re-assembled. re-animated and your good to go for another year. I see a whole new market for Tide! Makes swallowing Tide pods almost sensible.


81 posted on 02/20/2020 10:22:11 AM PST by Reily
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To: chuckles

God knew us in Heaven...


Because I don’t see heaven as being a part of the linear time we pass through at the rate of one minute per minute, I don’t see that as a past event. It may be, from our perspective, a “future” event.

I believe that when Jacob wrestled with God and God dislocated his hip, God was Jesus. Likewise regarding the fourth guy in the furnace.


82 posted on 02/20/2020 10:24:12 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Reily

Makes swallowing Tide pods almost sensible.


It’s a critical preliminary step. :)


83 posted on 02/20/2020 10:25:48 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: HamiltonJay
Theoretically thanks to quantum entanglement it would be possible but the original is destroyed, not transported you would end up with an exact copy in theory..
James Blish incorporated this debate into his 1970 Star Trek novel Spock Must Die!.

Doctor Leonard McCoy (erroneously nicknamed "Doc" instead of "Bones" throughout, for which Blish blamed an editor in one of his subsequent adaptation collections) and Engineer Montgomery Scott discuss McCoy's fear of the transporter.

McCoy posits that an original person is killed upon dematerialization, and a duplicate is created at the destination. Scotty explains that the technology does not destroy the original object but causes every single particle to undergo a "Dirac jump" to its new location - and that converting a human-sized mass to energy would blow up the ship. McCoy is not convinced, and he wonders what happens to the soul in a transporter beam.

The conversation is interrupted by the news that the Organians appear to have been destroyed by the Klingon Empire. The Organians had been enforcing a peace treaty between the Empire and the Federation.



84 posted on 02/20/2020 10:27:38 AM PST by Bratch (“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

B5 had the cobra bays that opened and out the Star furies went.

Crusade used a rotary launcher.


85 posted on 02/20/2020 10:53:33 AM PST by wally_bert (Your methods were a little incomplete, you too for that matter.)
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To: PIF
sounds like you should stick to comedy and sitcoms

TV to me is junk-food for the brain. I seldom watch. Exceptions being hockey, baseball and occasionally trying to find something to fall asleep to. Expanse fits well in that category.

86 posted on 02/20/2020 11:00:24 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cuban leaf
There was a ST:TNG episode were the late James Doohan - Scotty purposely put himself in a “transporter loop” because of an accident. He was saved “years” later by the TNG crowd specifically the blind infrared vision engineer guy (whose name escapes me!)

That was Geordi. (I think that's how it was spelled...)

87 posted on 02/20/2020 11:02:41 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

sounds like i was correct all types of tv except sports

bread n circuses for you then


88 posted on 02/20/2020 11:11:26 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: C19fan

The problem with Science Fiction is once you start trying to deconstruct it all the fun and joy disappears. Trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of something is overthinking the whole thing. Leave the fiction part alone and enjoy the ride. Fighter sounds in Star Wars.....uh there is no sound in space. Well it sounded cool anyway so they kept it in.


89 posted on 02/20/2020 11:30:15 AM PST by xp38
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To: C19fan
Samantha Carter of SG-1 can explain. Even if it does make sense , who cares? : )
ping
90 posted on 02/20/2020 12:07:04 PM PST by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....He the master will plant more cotton for the democrat party)
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To: minnesota_bound

She is my favorite Sci Fi chick.


91 posted on 02/20/2020 12:08:53 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: C19fan

Man-sized wormhole generators are the way to go, obviously.


92 posted on 02/20/2020 12:13:45 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond

I’ll take two!


93 posted on 02/20/2020 12:16:00 PM PST by Reily
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To: 75thOVI

This is a great thread, and you sir, just nailed it!


94 posted on 02/20/2020 1:02:21 PM PST by 2sheds
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To: cuban leaf
Bingo! There is no time in Heaven and God is One. God is Spirit. Jesus is God inside a human body. Trinity infers 3 Gods, but a more accurate statement is One Triune God. God in 3 forms just as we are in 3 parts.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Jesus is the container for God who is Spirit.

When you read "Angel" with a capital "A" in the Old Testament, That is a Pre-Jesus, Jesus. To have a term for this many call it a "Theophany". When you see this "Angel" in Scripture and people bow down and have to remove their shoes, that is this Theophany of Jesus. When Gideon presented a sacrifice to his Angel, the fire went from the earth to Heaven instead of from Heaven to earth signifying God was the Angel. If God was still in Heaven it would have been the other way.

A thorough study of the Tabernacle in Exodus reveals much about how God lived with His people in a Building made Holy. Jesus was that Building covered in flesh (as a veil) just as the Tabernacle had animal skins for a roof. The Tabernacle was actually sort of homely on the outside and the inside was Holy and filled with gold and silver. When Jacob wrestled with the Angel, there was a door opened in Heaven and a ladder went up from the ground. God and God alone can open doors and close them to the supernatural world.Jesus said He is the door or gate. God transported Philip from the site of the Eunuch in the desert to Azotus without walking or riding. The NT uses the term "caught him away", or "harpazō" in Greek, the same word for Raptured.

God can do what we are talking about here, but men cannot move bodies without resulting in death of the Spiritual parts of men. That would make them just a heap of dead flesh. This is sorta like saying men can create life. We can manipulate what has already been created, but it will still end in death.

95 posted on 02/20/2020 1:15:47 PM PST by chuckles
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To: bigbob
A military space battleship or a cruise starship with a bar run by Whoopi, two very different versions of the future...

almost caused me not to watch the show right there....that and the terrible design of the Enterprise.

96 posted on 02/20/2020 2:01:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: cuban leaf

In a debate like this, we need to stick to any facts that are readliy available...

Forget those crude fake transporters used in Star Trek... The Asgard certainly found a way around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle... Seeing is believing...


97 posted on 02/20/2020 2:48:28 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: C19fan

98 posted on 02/20/2020 2:51:53 PM PST by x
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To: cuban leaf
I imagine this world being like a video game and my consciousness being “inserted” into my human body, while “I” am actually outside this video game. So, I might be sitting right next to a guy in the “real world” playing the game, but his player is in New York, and mine is in Los Angeles. Yet if I bump his hand and knock it off his “game controller”, it instantly affects his player thousands of miles away - or on the other side of the galaxy.

Well, what we are dealing with as concerns the God of the Bible is an omniscient omnipotent Being who alone even knows when every bee in Brazil will be flapping its wings, and when everyone will blink, and what all the effects will be from each and every action or inaction, both for today and in this life and for eternity, and yet enables and allows such and can and will make it all work out for good, for those who choose the Good, who love, believe and thus obey their Creator, in Christ. Thanks be to God.

And which in terms of just knowledge, is far far more than these calculations in regards to a transporter:

According to a teleportation physics study carried out by the Air Force Research Laboratory, assuming the ability to store all of the information for a single atom — its location in space, its linear and angular momentum, and its internal quantum state — with one kilobyte, it would require a minimum of 10 to the 28th power kilobytes to store the information for one person. Using current technology, it would take longer than the age of the universe to store that amount of information. They estimate that if improvement in computing technology maintains a factor of 10-100 over the next 200-300 years, we may be able to accomplish such a feat. Just in time for the 24th century.

99 posted on 02/20/2020 7:14:03 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: SuperLuminal

In a debate like this, we need to stick to any facts that are readliy available...


Good one! :D

I guess we have nothing to discuss. ;)


100 posted on 02/21/2020 4:34:34 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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