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To: mr_hammer

You have colleges requiring useless courses to meet an arbitrary number of ‘hours’ to get a degree. If you want a business degree, you can get all the basics you need for under 60 hours. The rest of the hours are ‘fillers’ to make the mandatory needed hours. You want to end student debt, completely restructure what is necessary for a viable degree, doing away with useless courses. If someone wants to add a philosophy class over and above minimums, not eligible for a student loan.


7 posted on 01/24/2020 9:27:03 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: rstrahan

How else can they indoctrinate the kids to follow their destructive socialist agenda along with continuing to receive their high salaries without work.

This is proof again that wherever government gets involved in any part of the private sector, they ruin it.


8 posted on 01/24/2020 9:33:33 AM PST by grcuster
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To: rstrahan

Exactly my thoughts when I was in college.

I spent my first two years on academic probation because I didn’t understand why I was paying good money to repeat coursework I learned in high school (General Education Requirements). I rarely attended class, didn’t do my homework, basically just showing up for tests for the bare minimum to pass. But why should I? I didn’t have any interest in anything except business and economics.

Then...I get into my 300 and 400 level “hard” classes and graduate with a 3.91 GPA as a business major. My overall college GPA was 2.9!

I always thought college should be 2 years of 300 and 400 level classes in your area of interest followed by 2 years of paid supervised apprenticeship work. It would be better for employers and better for students, IMO. I also think college should be year-round to finish in 2 or 3 years instead of 4. That’s the real world...most people don’t get 3 months off during the summer and after high school, children should grow up.


25 posted on 01/24/2020 9:55:38 AM PST by Dexter Morgan ("MSNBC News? Appalling. Appalling and amateurish. So both at the same time; it's a bad combination.")
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To: rstrahan

Your comments bring up an interesting point. The purpose of universities used to be to pass on Western civilization, ergo the philosophy classes. I don’t really think higher ed effectively serves that purpose anymore and I don’t think anyone expects it to. However, does that make the philosophy class pointless?


28 posted on 01/24/2020 10:11:53 AM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: rstrahan

I’ve always thought that colleges and universities should be responsible for a portion of defaulted publicly funded student loans, even if that portion was only 5%.

That incentive would instantly result in college’s raising their requirements for students making progress towards their degrees, and limiting enrollment in majors where there are reasonable job prospects after graduation.

(By the way, I am a college professor)


35 posted on 01/24/2020 10:23:04 AM PST by CaptainMorgantown
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To: rstrahan

“You have colleges requiring useless courses to meet an arbitrary number of ‘hours’ to get a degree. If you want a business degree, you can get all the basics you need for under 60 hours. The rest of the hours are ‘fillers’ to make the mandatory needed hours. You want to end student debt, completely restructure what is necessary for a viable degree, doing away with useless courses.”

What you posted has been going on for decades. I was graduated from a good business school in 1960. Basically, I blasted through my 60 hours of BS/useless courses by the end of my second year of college.

My first semester of my junior, I had a good study group and took 20 hours of real business courses. I did great, all A’s..

I planned to do the same in the next semester, and one of my business professors, an asst. dean, told me to slow down. If I continued, I could be graduated early and only be 20 years old. That was not good for the job market.

He suggested that I attend a local college in my home town, and enjoy life. Then, take 2 business courses, 6 hours from one of his graduates, who was teaching at the local college.

I discussed it with my parents, and they thought that it would be good for them and me re them getting to know me again. My summer jobs after high school were out of state jobs. I barely saw them during my first 2 years away at college,

So we decided to do it. The prof at the big school called his former student @ the local college and arranged it. I went to 2 classes a day on Monday and Wednesday mornings.

On my days off or in the after noon,I played golf, went fishing with my dad and learned how to cook the evening meal after preparing lunch.

I not only got to know and like my parents better. I got to know a sibling who was 3 years younger.

Next, I learned how to shop for the week’s food and to prepare most meals with what I had purchased. A skill, my wife has benefited from. Our sons learned how to cook at an early age and to buy what was needed for meals before they left home to go college and a trade school.

Also, I got reacquainted with my old dog. She loved to go swimming at a local farmer’s pond while I fished. She lasted 3 years after that and went down hill as she was 10 at that time.

When, I went back to college, they had brought in Saturday classes put the seniors in those classes as we had no choice. If we wanted to be graduated, we went to Saturday classes.

So I took 4 classes/12 hours on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. I studied with room mates, made A’s and tutored the courses I had taken at my local college. I went home more often and played more golf and helped my mother as my Dad’s health was failing. My sibling and I became closer, and we text each other several times a week these days.

You are correct. In most colleges, the first 2 years/60 hours are bs repeat courses from high school. Test people after high school to see if those bs courses can be waived.

Getting a student loan to pay for $30,000 per year for bs courses is not a good investment for any student or parents.


37 posted on 01/24/2020 10:33:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Impeachment is all that you have left when you lose every argument. Life's losers love impeachment!)
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