To: Phlyer
So, a ‘well-regulated’ militia was one that could operate efficiently in the absence of direct control by government.
Could. But that does not mean they either always or never operated efficiently in the absence of direct control by government. I believe the Colonial Governors called out the militia on occasion. The US Constitution allows for calling out the militia. State Constitutions allow for calling out the militia.
In order to have an effective militia, the people need to have their own weapons and be familiar with their use.
By law, the National Guard is the organized militia and while they may individually have their own arms, the arms they use as members of the National Guard are provided by the government. It may be arguable whether or not the National Guard is an organized militia except by law and whether it is the same as the well-regulated militia envisioned by the Founders, but if it isnt I dont believe there is a well-regulated militia in the US, at least I havent heard of one.
42 posted on
03/25/2019 3:19:24 PM PDT by
KrisKrinkle
(Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
To: KrisKrinkle
Some states have an “organized militia” that comes out at the governors request when the state national guard has been mobilized. Virginia has one, if I remember it right its called the Virginia State Guard.
I would be best if all states did this.
43 posted on
03/25/2019 3:23:55 PM PDT by
Reily
To: KrisKrinkle
So, a well-regulated militia was one that could operate efficiently in the absence of direct control by government.
Could. But that does not mean they either always or never operated efficiently in the absence of direct control by government. I believe the Colonial Governors called out the militia on occasion. The US Constitution allows for calling out the militia. State Constitutions allow for calling out the militia.
All of which is fine with me. Of course when one talks about what an organization 'could' be or 'should' be it is not guarantee that in fact it functions that way. It just means it has the potential to do that. And it does not conflict with my understanding of the 'militia' as described in the Second Amendment and other documents to recognize that there are multiple ways in which the militia "could" be called out. It's analogous to ringing the fire bell in a volunteer fire department. The governor can ring the bell, but so can others - including private citizens if they see a fire.
By law, the National Guard is the organized militia . . .
I'd be curious which law you are citing because I'm not aware of any that actually use that phrase, though it's not particularly relevant. An "organized" militia is not the same as a "well-regulated" militia where "regulated" has the meaning in use at the time the 2nd Amendment was approved.
I dont believe there is a well-regulated militia in the US, at least I havent heard of one.
Quite possibly true, on two grounds. First (which is actually your second point), we might not have heard of it. Certainly the powers that be would not admit such a thing exists. But more than that, we may not recognize it if we saw it. I remember during some of the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict, citizens armed with their own weapons were defending their businesses. That was done efficiently and effectively . . . until the National Guard showed up. The National Guard (as ordered) just watched the rioters loot and burn. So, which was 'well-regulated' in the original meaning of that term?
If a mob of looters started down my street, I can assure you that my wife and I would smoothly and efficiently defend our property, using weapons which we own and with which we are skilled. My neighbors (most of them, anyway) would also. Thank God we've never been called on to do that.
45 posted on
03/25/2019 4:17:39 PM PDT by
Phlyer
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