Posted on 02/28/2019 6:31:09 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
Some think that by winning in 2016 Trump has already averted WW3.
Too simplistic of an idea to even talk about. Japan, Russia, Germany and Italy extremism was too much for a newspaper to stop kinda like the deep state with the fake news media as a propaganda war.
Europe came out of the depression earlier than we did.
Franklin D. Roosevelt had his fingers in his ears and said LA LA LA LA LA as long as he could
I still do not see any connection with NORK and WWII let alone depression. The FED is the reason we had a depression here.
Now in ‘14 and in ‘39, war raised it’s ugly head,
The bombs they fell on England, and one fell on my shed,
But we fought and beat the Germans ‘cos we knew just what to do:
We stuck our fingers in our ears and went ting-a-ling-a-loo.
-Benny Hill
Despite early victories they knew they would lose a protracted war.
I think Yamamoto thought the same.
The Japs had a bad case of victory fever and went out to destroy the American carriers to finish things off. That’s what Midway was all about.
“Japan, I think he would have dropped the bomb, maybe sooner, who knows.”
The bomb wasn’t ready sooner... the U.S. was down to the wire on everything with those two nuclear devices. The power required, the technology at the time excetera... We used every scrap of nuclear material that could be made for the testing and the two bombs that were delivered and dropped. In fact we were not sure the second bomb, which was a different triggering mechanism, was going to work at all because it had not been tested.
So... history decided the timeline and it looks like we dropped those bombs on Japan when they were ready. It really came down to the wire and was the epitome of a just-in-time production run. With no backup or follow-on to fall back upon.
“... in‘39, war raised it’s ugly head”
I think historians generally agree now that WWII actually started when Japan invaded China, which was around 31. Or roughly 10 years before the Blitzkrieg of Poland and the annexation of Czechoslovakia which was Chamberlain’s claim to fame... and it meant the subjugation of the whole peoples of Czechoslovakia, for some reason Britain deemed itself the master of Czechoslovakia and turn it over to Nazi Germany without so much as a stone being tossed.
Hitler thought the US was a mongrel country, but he pointed to how people had forgotten the US genocide of the Indians along with the Turkish Armenian genocide as examples to show that his proposed Jewish genocide would soon be forgotten by the world. He also saw an analogy to his proposed conquest of the USSR in the US conquest of the West (He sometimes referred to the Russians as “redskins”). In those two ways he saw the US as a good role model.
Sure, had the Manhattan Project been more timely and we’d nuked Berlin and Tokyo.
WOW!
It’s a shame that a horrific nightmare has made for hundreds of hours of entertaining reading and viewing.
I’m talking about WWII of course.
But we humans are interested in history, good or bad.
I DID NOT KNOW the things in your post.
Japan was ill prepared to launch the pivotal battle of Midway. They even had to cheat in a simulation which showed a near 50-50 of loss against two large carriers (not knowing we would repair the Yorktown in record time from the Battle of the Coral Sea and have it available at Midway), but understood there was no better opportunity for a decisive battle, so went for it anyway.
Even after Midway, they invaded Guadalcanal and attempted to keep offensive operations moving forward on another front. We all know how that campaign turned out.
Sorry for the typo.
It was Hitler who declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor so even if Japan was left alone the US would have had to respond to Adolph.
Hitler foolishly believed that Japan would help him to relieve the pressure from the Russians.
The Japs weren’t that stupid.
There are actually two issues here, though they are interrelated.
The first issue is relative military strength. The United States in the relatively same magnitude of military strength as Germany in both WWI and WWII. Nowadays, if we get into a war with other countries, we will usually dominate the airspace and sealanes in relative short order, allowing our forces on the ground much easier opportunities to meet the objectives. The only difficulty comes in the protocols of war in which we reduce civilian casualties as much as possible, which will necessarily increase our own casualty rate. Even so, our casualty rate will be far, far lower than the enemy’s casualty rate.
The second issue is diplomacy, which is two-fold in itself depending on the makeup of the adversary. With dictators, the only ability that works is threat of military force, with actual use of it when necessary. With more advanced governments, favorable win-win trade deals become more likely, with far less likelihood of kinetic operations, aka WWI and WWII redux.
I doubt WWII could have been prevented, at least in scope of world military balances. It is IMPERATIVE that the Constitutionalists ALWAYS have superior, unambiguous military supremacy, to prevent the likelihood of non-suicidal missions of war by adversaries. Otherwise, the temptation is strong. Peace can ONLY be applied through strength. Weakness will ALWAYS bring out the likelihood of kinetic activity.
The key was we had the capability to ramp up and quickly, because we had all the infrastructure in place, with all of the manufacturing plants. We also had plenty of manpower available to make it all happen.
Too much was going on that the US had no control over whether it be Hitler going pastor Japan taking on China. Our oil embargo made the Japanese go into Indonesia so the left blames us. How much does Trump influence what’s going on between India and Pakistan now? Both respect us but the Pakistanis need to fear us more.
“Japan was engaged in rape and pillage in China, Indonesia.” They did not understand that this was Britain’s job. We gave Japan an ultimatum written by Harry Dexter White, a Soviet agent. It may have originated in Moscow. We saved a regime that had nearly 1 million subject fighting for its opponent even though that opponent described them as subhuman.
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