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To: DiogenesLamp
Had we maintained a fortress overlooking Tokyo bay, and had we threatened their shipping with those cannons, and had they attacked this fortress on THEIR territory, then you might have an analogy.

Ignoring the fact that your statement isn't close to being true, had the U.S. had a facility in Tokyo bay and had Japan bombarded into surrender then that would have been an act of war, just like the Southern actions in 1861.

You apparently don't have the wit to grasp the difference between what Japan did and what the Confederates did.

I have a great sense of humor which is why I find your crap so amusing.

You keep trying to make this about me.

You're offering your opinion and claiming it as fact so who else is it about other than you?

Now who is disagreeing with the opinion of a Supreme Court Justice?

Well I could always claim bias on his part, frightened of rebel retaliation, or not giving a sh*t about what the Constitution said. But instead I agree that Chase was correct. Legal secession was not rebellion. But that's not what the South engaged in. T Justice Chase was clearly referring to the Southern secession. He even went so far as to advise Federal Prosecutors that bringing Jefferson Davis to trial would be a serious mistake.

And yet he also ruled that the Southern secession was illegal in the Texas v. White decision.

Lincoln asserted that the South was in "rebellion", but this was a blatant lie, and he put this forth for propaganda purposes. An entire state cannot be in rebellion. Only a portion thereof can rebel. If an entire state approves of it, it's "consent of the governed.

What nonsense. Are you claiming that 100 percent of the people in every rebel state supported secession? If they didn't then wouldn't that mean part of the state was rebelling?

56 posted on 02/25/2019 4:33:37 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Ignoring the fact that your statement isn't close to being true, had the U.S. had a facility in Tokyo bay and had Japan bombarded into surrender then that would have been an act of war, just like the Southern actions in 1861.

The act of war was sending a fleet of warship with orders to attack.

*THAT* was the act of war, and it was initiated by Lincoln.

But instead I agree that Chase was correct. Legal secession was not rebellion.

And now you are putting words in Justice Chase's mouth that he absolutely did not say, and would have refuted. When Justice Chase spoke of "secession", he was referring specifically to the South, and what the South did.

Stop your prattle about "legal" secession. What the South did was legal secession, as Justice Chase clearly indicated, because it was to them that he was specifically referring.

69 posted on 02/25/2019 8:01:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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