[Lurkinanloomin]

Not going to find these at Bass Pro.

[Dalberg-Acton]

When will Midway or Cabelas carry these?

[chemical_boy]

definitely not squeezing that into a 2 3/4 inch shell

[PapaBear3625]

Frag-12 has been around for at least a decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV379084djs

[fireman15]

We need some video evidence showing that it explodes real good!

[dljordan]

They already make them. They’re called shellcrackers.

[rktman]

So, has shotgun jojo biden ordered a case or two yet? Or is he busy pawing young ladies still.

[upchuck]

More info:

http://www.defensereview.com/auto-assault-12-shotgunfrag-12-high-explosive-round-comboweapon-system/

[Doc91678]

Worked on a similar concept once. The shell would necessarily need to be 3.5 inches long.

[Chainmail]

I was involved in some of the design elements of the FRAG-12 about 15 years ago. Initially, it had single-element fuze and almost always lost a fin during firing and went somewhere - just not where you were aiming and sometimes it went off in the shotgun bore.

I was brought in to redesign the round to fly straight and to improve the safety of the fuzing and I designed the shaped charge armor-piercing round.

It carries a half ounce of A-5 explosive and has a three element bore-safe fuze now. The main success is its range and accuracy: we could hit a doorknob sized object from 50m off and it would blow the door lock out of the door when it hit, leaving a big fist-size hole. It was capable of hitting a man at 200m.

The armor-piercing round is capable of penetrating 1/2 inch of hardened armor plate, which makes a shotgun effective against most armored cars.

From the photos, it looks like they have redesigned the center section, so I am assuming that its flight characteristics are similar to what they were 15 years ago.

Nifty piece of gear - the only reason that it didn't make it into Iraq was that the navy engineer at Dahlgren wanted to be hired to design the fuzing system and when they didn't use him, he blocked safety approval for the navy. The army wanted 5,000 rounds for their safety approval tests and the company was too small to afford that many rounds for testing.

[Widget Jr]

I have a few questions.

Do you know if these are still in production, or has this been shelved?

Do you know if any police or military unit ever fired these in a combat situation, not just testing? If so, what were the results?

How do you think these rounds could work in real world situations, not like on the Discovery channel documentaries or in movies?

[jim_trent]

Nobody here has ever modified a 12ga slug when they were a kid by drilling a shallow hole in the front and pressing in a .22 rimfire blank in it? Fun for a few shots, but not impressive enough to continue to do the work for more.

[broken_arrow1]

Great for hog hunting...