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Now, we might move to discuss what is the point of institutional resposnibility if the person signing isn’t personally held responsible, or *which living breathing human being* is responsible if the signer is not.

Exactly. That is the point. Some individual person *has* to be responsible, or *no one* is responsible.

Institutions are made of individuals.

There is no point in having individuals sign if they have no responsibility.

You wrote:
“I see it as “DOJ swears this stuff is true,” not “Rosenstein has personally reviewed and on hs own PERSONAL belief, swears this stuff is true.”

Angels dancing on the head of a pin stuff.

Your statement about Rosenstein being removed for *failure to correct the system* shows that Rosenstein *has* responsibility for what is in the document, through his office.

I see what you are attempting to say. I disagree, but I do not think it makes any practical difference.

I apologize for the use of the term B.S. It was inappropriate.

When I was in the DOD, it was drilled into me over and over that when I signed paperwork, I was personally responsible for what was in the paperwork, even though I was signing for what my employees did.

Of course, if they lied to me, or misrepresented facts, that would be a mitigating circumstance, and they would bear most of the responsibility.

Thanks for the reply.

I think in this case, the remedy amounts to furious sound and anger, but nothing more than talk. Maybe a note in Rosenstein's permanent file.

He's going to be excused from failure to correct the system, because he hadn't enough time in the office. And after some public examination, Congress will declare that FISA is by and large working, this was an aberration. Nonsense, more of the same nonsense, but it's necessary to justify the continuation of the bureaucracy.

The reason I made the comparison to purchasing agent at all, was to emphasize my view that contrary to popular belief, Rosenstein is not PERSONALLY responsible for the contents of the warrant application, and it should NOT be shocking in the least that he did not read it. The honesty function is pushed down the ladder. If his minions screw him, he screws them. That's the way the system works, and you know it because you lived it.