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A US government watchdog is warning that Trump's border wall could cost billions more than he claims
AOL News ^ | August 7, 2018 | Sinéad Baker

Posted on 08/07/2018 10:44:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t call it a wall ...call it money to Iran. That should get through the left/media easier.


21 posted on 08/07/2018 11:21:00 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t care how much it costs.


22 posted on 08/07/2018 11:32:57 PM PDT by chris37 ("I am everybody." -Mark Robinson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

[[How many billions are being wasted on illegals every year]]

The Costs Of Illegal Immigration

It is estimated that illegal immigrants cost this country somewhere between $400 Billion dollars and $600 Billion Dollars Every Single Year

DARK SIDE of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YEARLY COSTS
45,008 illegal aliens from countries on the U.S. list of state-sponsors of terror or from countries that protected terrorist organizations and their members were released into the general public between 2001 and 2005 despite the fact that DHS couldn’t confirm their identity. Ultimate costs are unknown. Remember 9/11? ?

The Border Patrol arrested 39,215 “other-than-Mexicans,” along the Southwest border. In 2004, the number jumped to 65,814. DHS admits they only catch an estimated 1/3 of the border crossers. Ultimate collateral damage costs of the ones not caught are unknown. ?

Some sources say that bin Laden purchased several suitcase nukes from the Chechen rebels in 1996. Allegedly several of these weapons have been forward deployed to the US in preparation for al Qaeda’s next attack on American soil. Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

According to two trainers at an anti-terrorism conference, preparations are well underway in Islamic terrorist camps for attacks on American schools that will bring “rivers of blood and staggering body counts.” Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are enormously involved identity fraud. Costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are involved in a plethora of other criminal activities including such crimes involving methamphetamine, cocaine, home invasion, auto insurance fraud, life insurance fraud, food stamp fraud, mortgage fraud, auto theft, drug trafficking, prostitution, and counterfeiting documents. Costs are unknown. ?

At the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities. $6.8B
Mac Johnson estimates that illegal aliens murder between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. annually, an average of 2,158 murders. (Representative King states illegal aliens are responsible for 4,380 murders) $8.4 B

According to FBI Estimates on Number of Arrests in 2005 in the United States and applying a straight 5% of population representation, illegal aliens would have committed 704,709 crimes in 2005. Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $17.6 billion. Some estimates have their involvement much higher. $17.6B

Based on a GAO report of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003 and extrapolating the average number of offenses out across all 267,000 incarcerated illegal alien criminals results in some 1,288,619 crimes! Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $32.2 billion. Another estimated 240,000 criminal illegal aliens are not incarcerated. $32.2B

Professor David Anderson reports that the net annual burdened costs of crime, in 2006 dollars that would be $1.62 TRILLION. A 5% illegal alien participation would be $81 BILLION. Some studies indicate the participation of illegal aliens is much higher than representation. $81B
80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes still walk the streets. As previously noted, based on studies, those illegal alien criminal will commit 13 offenses each. Total costs are unknown. ?

An estimated 2,258,550 pounds of cocaine made it through the southern border with an estimated street value conservatively estimated $72.2 BILLION. Resulting costs of the associated crime is unknown. Assume 50% is paid for through crime. $36.1B

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. Those are just the ones apprehended. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals. Resulting costs are unknown. ?
Researcher Deborah Schurman-Kauflin Ph.D. of the Violent Crimes Institute, reports that the illegal alien population includes 240,000 sex offenders – a “conservative estimate.” Based on studies, they will commit 130,909 sex crimes annually. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, resulting costs are: $6.5B

63% of the sexual crimes, 82,473 victims, were committed by previously deported perverts who returned to commit the crime. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, this would be $4.1 BILLION - more than the cost of a proper border fence along the southern border. . $4.1B

Operation Predator resulted in 6,085 child predator arrests. Some pedophile statistics report that each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Gangs Or Us estimates that MS-13 has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states, and these numbers are continually increasing. .Resulting costs are unknown. ?

In one report, mostly illegal alien Hispanics were involved in 25% of the fatal traffic accidents, an astounding 5 times as much participation as representation. In those accidents, 75% of the drivers had no auto insurance, nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants were registered to other drivers, and 93% of the vehicles had false out-of-state tags. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are often involved in DWIs at a rate that is 3-6 times greater than their representation in the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

At a 5% representation, illegal aliens are responsible for 844 alcohol related fatalities. Data suggests their participation is actually far higher. (Rep.King states that illegal aliens were responsible for 4,745 alcohol related fatalities. If so, that would 5.6 times as many deaths as representation.) Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Based on NHTSA data and a 5% participation rate, illegal are responsible for 309,050 accidents, 2,132 deaths, 139,400 injuries, and a cost of $11.5 billion. Data suggest their involvement is much higher, maybe 3-5 times higher. $11.5B

Half of all children born to Hispanic Americans in 2002 were illegitimate, twice the rate for American whites and 42 percent higher than the overall American rate. Rates are suspected of being even higher for Hispanic illegal aliens. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

There are an estimated 5.1 million ESL students in the USA. If 90% of the ESL students are children of illegal aliens then the education costs for children of illegal aliens is about $34.5 billion per year. $34.5B

Many illegal aliens are carrying horrific third world diseases. In the 40 years prior to 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US. In the following three years there have been 9,000 cases. TB is epidemic in many illegal alien communities and a new Multiple-Drug-Resistant (MDR) TB is spreading. Each person infected with TB will infect 10 others. Treating a single case of MDR TB costs between $250,000 and $1,200,000 per person. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Between March 2000 and March 2005, only 9 percent of the net increase in jobs for adults went to people born in the US but natives accounted for 61 percent of the net increase in the overall size of the 18- to 64-year-old population. The jobs were taken mostly by illegal aliens, displacing native born Americans. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

The National Academy of Science reported that from 1980 to 1995 there was a 44% of the decline in the real wages of high school dropouts as a result of immigration. This affects Black and Hispanics Americans the greatest and is a great contributor to the high unemployment rate in this segment of the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Harvard Professor George Borjas has reported that illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars in 2005. $133B

The Wall Street investment firm Bear Stearns states we are losing $35 billion a year in income tax collections from jobs that are now off the books. $35B

National Academy of Sciences study estimated that immigration’s net benefit to the American economy is only $10 billion. This item is included to illustrate one of the very few real economic benefits of tolerating illegal aliens. Most of the other benefits of illegal aliens “doing the work that Americans won’t” at lower wages goes into the pockets of their employers. -$10B

A Rice University study calculated that in 2006 the net annual cost of legal and illegal immigration will add up to $108 billion. Illegal immigration is about half the total. $54B

The population of the USA recently crossed the 300,000,000. At the present growth rate, it will hit 400 million as early as 2029 and about 500 million in 2050. And if things don’t change real fast, maybe even a Billion by 2075. Additional infrastructure costs will be in the TRILLIONS. ?

Immigration will account for 96 percent of the future increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. Cost to the infrastructure is unknown. ?

A recent report notes that illegals sent and estimated $45 Billion south in 2006, which was up from an estimated $30 Billion in 2004. That money leaving the economy does not produce secondary jobs here.

Using a 2:1 money multiplier, that is $90 billion removed from the American economy. $90B

A Census Bureau study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also significant. The study also finds that if illegal aliens were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow by nearly $29 billion. $10-29B

Jonathan Weisman of the Washington Post states “The Senates embattled immigration bill would raise government spending by as much as $126 billion over the next decade, $12.6B

While some of the costs summarized above are subsets, e.g. cost of the murders as part of the cost of crime, as you can see the economic costs of tolerating illegal immigration is quite considerable. You are paying for it in terms of higher taxes, insurance premiums, et cetera. Some estimates place the net costs of each illegal alien in the country at $50,000 – $100,000. (FYI: 12,000,000 X $50,000 = $600,000,000,000) When the all the indirect costs are factored in, it is probably even higher. In any case, it is a cost that YOU are paying for.

Even saving ten cents on a head of lettuce, how much lettuce would that buy?

Regardless,

What price do you put on each American who has been molested, raped, killed, or murdered by an illegal alien?

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illegal_immigration.html

A couple dozen billion for the wall? It’s a down right bargain as we will be saving hundreds of billions every single year!


23 posted on 08/07/2018 11:36:06 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we don’t build it, it will cost us billions more and our country.


24 posted on 08/07/2018 11:37:54 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The G.A.O a non-partisan Government Agency.What a load of crap.That agency has probably been loaded with Democrats since Obama was in office.

I would trust a builder to know how much something is going to cost to construct over some paper pusher.


25 posted on 08/07/2018 11:53:34 PM PDT by puppypusher ( The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup

As if the HAO has ever been concerned about cost over runs


26 posted on 08/07/2018 11:54:52 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: puppypusher

I would trust a builder to know how much something is going to cost to construct over some paper pusher.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

Pols automatically add 20% to what the actual cost is so they can line their pockets.

Government Accountability Office
is as much an oxymoron as
Government Ethics Office

I would ‘love’ to see all these pols that ‘threaten’ to lower spending and cut back expenditures to get elected get their feet held to the fire.

In some ways, PDT is just as bad....

ONE of his LAST campaign promises was National Reciprocity - if you have CC in one state, good in all.

Still waiting on that one as it was supposed to be one of the first.

Yes, I do realize when he said it it would be an almost impossible task.

States can’t even get together on speed limits etc etc


27 posted on 08/08/2018 12:16:26 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""If bacon kills you and smoking kills you, How come you smoke bacon to cure it?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This report brought to you by Ed Koch and Wollman Skating Rink Committee....


28 posted on 08/08/2018 12:23:07 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Pontiac

Zactly

They scored it “Revenue Nuetral “

Before $5 billion was blown on a website that realistically shouldn’t have cost more than a couple million....


29 posted on 08/08/2018 12:25:27 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“If you build it they won’t/can’t come...

Personally, I want them to come...

Through the front door...


30 posted on 08/08/2018 12:29:45 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone that has been around D.C. for any amount knows thar the GAO very far from reliable and has leaned left since its inception.


31 posted on 08/08/2018 12:33:00 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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Before $5 billion was blown on a website that realistically shouldn’t have cost more than a couple million

The whole website project was unrealistic from the start.

Any programmer would tell you that a website like that would take at least 5 years to build.

It had to interface with multiple different data bases and programs that were written in different languages

There was no way it could ever be built and perform all of the functions it was supposed to do in a single year.

But a Democrat congress and president said it would be.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

32 posted on 08/08/2018 12:33:25 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Well, as an IT guy, yea, it realistically, in the real world, would have taken longer and still cost less.

But, lying cheaters, who don’t write their name to the front of a check don’t care about your welfare. They want welfare at your expense.


33 posted on 08/08/2018 12:36:26 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: fella
Anyone that has been around D.C. for any amount knows thar the GAO very far from reliable and has leaned left since its inception.

I don’t blame the GAO for the work they do.

The GAO on paper is supposed to perform independent analysis of the cost of government projects

But Congress always tells them to use certain unrealistic assumptions that drastically underestimate the true likely cost of a project or unrealistic assumptions on revenue generated.

And most telling they are never to take in to account the likely effects the project or law will have on the spending habits of the people effected.

For example the effects on the purchasing habits of young people in response to ObamaCare. Young people stopped buying Health insurance. And a huge hole developed in the expectations of the income of health insurance providers.

34 posted on 08/08/2018 12:41:37 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ok if a wall is to expensive how about mine fields and military drone coverage


35 posted on 08/08/2018 1:35:09 AM PDT by PCPOET7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like it’s Shovel Ready.

Get the Ca$h from Bammy’s Sta$h.


36 posted on 08/08/2018 1:55:38 AM PDT by Paladin2 (no spelchek, no problem...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It will pay for itself in less than a year with the costs it saves the taxpayers. Welfare, medical, education, legal, ICE, police, on and on it goes....not to mention the resulting costs of crime.


37 posted on 08/08/2018 1:59:37 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: PCPOET7

Or the 1st Cavalry Division, the 2nd Marine Division, the 5th Infantry Division, the 2nd Armored Division and the 10th Mountain Division, supplemented by National Guard and Marine Corps Reserve units.


38 posted on 08/08/2018 2:02:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
IOW, they are wasting time and effort on something that is of little importance, because the wall must be built, period. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

39 posted on 08/08/2018 2:23:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cost overruns don’t really matter, as long as funds aren’t squandered on extraneous things. Southern border security is the most important priority in regards to issues related to immigration.

And yes, the combat heavies (combat engineers of the construction kind) could do the fastest and best job.


40 posted on 08/08/2018 2:29:57 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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