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1 posted on 07/14/2018 12:46:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Figures.....and we’re not talking math


2 posted on 07/14/2018 12:58:16 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-....8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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Time to privatize public ed.


4 posted on 07/14/2018 1:04:02 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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I don’t see the problem here. You could have military guys retiring who have a degree that is totally unrelated to the education field....but they could easily fit into this situation that they are designing.

I looked it up...for Detroit (last year)....starting salary for a rookie teacher is $35,000 a year. In three years, you’d be at roughly $38,000. In ten years, maybe around $45,000. Toss in some pension deal, and it might be attractive to some folks.

But the negative to this is teacher-burnout which they tend to say around the 6th year....it’s near 17-percent of teachers.


6 posted on 07/14/2018 1:29:24 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Alternative path to teaching is not a new concept and Teachers of Tomorrow aren’t the only kids on the playground. Most states have clear requirements to obtain a teaching certificate through an alternative pathway. First, a person needs to have at least a bachelor degree and a certain CPGA (cumulative grade point average). Second, the prospective teacher candidate must pass the same exams as a regular teacher. Some states this means passing the Praxis 2 exam. If they wanted to teach elementary education then the corresponding Praxis 2 exam must be taken and passed. The very same test someone went through four years of college in an education program would have to pass. Some states have a pedagogy exam in addition to the Content exam. A pedagogy exam again is the same exam covering teaching methods as someone who did four years in college as an education major. Lastly, students coming out of college in an education major have roughly less than 1 month in front of a classroom as the primary teacher. They might have 6 months as a student teacher but this is not what most think. At least with Teachers of Tomorrow there is a mentor with the teacher the entire first year teaching.

Lastly, people used to think the internet was a fantasy land playground. People used to think dating someone online was only for the desparate and to be disparaged. Now people openly join sites like Match.com and eHarmony or some other dating site. Those who have never taken an online course do not realize the rigors involved in taking such a course. These people fall into the first category. I firmly believe these people also see working at home as a godsend. The problem with this is that going to a brick and mortar school is filled with structure and is way more easier to form a routine. However, a online class requires you to have discipline to be resourceful and self motivated. It is no wonder when the world is trying to move into a more mobile and technical world there are bastions of heavy resistance like those who see online degrees as weaker than their counterparts. For those who see the only way to get an education is to go to class, is stuck and will always be stuck in the time before computers. Embrace change because change is imminent. I would hire a person who graduated from a reputable online school over someone who went to a brick and mortar school because they have drive, motivation and self reliance. Most colleges are beginning to go to a blended format.


8 posted on 07/14/2018 1:52:02 AM PDT by zaxtres
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They should get combat pay.


13 posted on 07/14/2018 3:55:57 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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at least they are not surgeons!! But i just saw a commercial for online nursing school. How does that work?


14 posted on 07/14/2018 3:56:45 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I wonder what his FR handle is??)
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This support my thoughts that education will inevitably move online.

There is no reason online education cannot be a good education. It may be necessary to suppliment it with some in person courses.

The reason is simple: online education is extremely efficient. You do not need super expensive brick and mortar schools.

School buildings are some of the most expensive per square foot structures in the United States.

Another advantage is that if moves education away from being a state mandated indoctrination process.


15 posted on 07/14/2018 3:57:44 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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The educational cabal is a joke on its own and refuses anything outside its orthodoxy.

My daughter has over ten years of library and bookseller experience, all with children.

She’d like to be a librarian but didn’t want to get the Masters of Library Science, whatever that is degree.

She finally gave up and is starting her classes soon. She has about 70% of the credits needed for a bachelors degree. She found an online school that will look at her varied credits and customize a bachelors degree. The masters programs don’t care what the bachelors is in, as long as you have one.

The online school is only $3500 per year.


17 posted on 07/14/2018 4:38:50 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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Could go either way - might be useful that they weren’t as indoctrinated by contact with campus groups....


20 posted on 07/14/2018 4:57:49 AM PDT by trebb (Too many "Conservatives" who think their opinions outweigh reality these days...)
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Some of the most useless college courses I ever took were education courses. One of the worst professors I ever had was the Chairman of the education department at that particular school. He was one of the few who had an attendance policy, probably because he’d be looking at an empty classroom, otherwise.

I wasn’t an education major. I took education courses to be certified to teach. While student teaching, I decided that there wasn’t enough $$ in anybody’s school system to persuade me to make it a career. This was over 30 years ago, I can’t imagine how bad it can be, now.

I believe the on-line courses are a good thing. As someone else mentioned, it gives people who are retired from the military, or another career, the opportunity to teach. That is likely to be really beneficial to the schools as well as the students.

Schools with teacher shortages would also do well to be more innovative. For example, hire more “parafrofessionals” to do more of the non-teaching duties such as monitoring the cafeteria and playground, taking roll, etc and hiring part-time teachers to come in and actually teach classes without being burdened down with non-teaching activities. Schools could also have lists of guest speakers who could come in and teach a class on a particular subject, maybe offering payment per class. For example, who better to teach a class on dental health than a dentist or hygenist?

Of course, that goes against the orthodoxy that only “trained” teachers can actually teach anyone anything!


25 posted on 07/14/2018 6:12:45 AM PDT by susannah59
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Wow.


26 posted on 07/14/2018 9:36:44 AM PDT by simpson96
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I received my PhD from a course I found on the back of a matchbook.


27 posted on 07/14/2018 10:39:56 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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Miss Crabtree did just fine.


30 posted on 07/14/2018 6:57:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES-GOD WITH US)
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