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To: Oldpuppymax

The argument the Left supplies is that people vote—not land.

So ultimately, when you dilute the vote of people who live in cities you are being less democratic.

We should address this issue directly.

While what they say is true, we are a representative republic with certain guaranteed rights. The majority doesn’t get to vote in things that harm the minority’s rights.

Sure, they could vote on things like no schools for poor rural districts, and to take that money and invest it in urban schools. They could even argue that the rural poor move to the city if they want education for their kids.

Imagine a city of 100,000 versus a rural area of 10,000. Whenever there would be a vote on something that would harm the rural area but help the city would ALWAYS win. Conversely, whenever there was a vote that would help the rural area but hurt the city, well, that wouldn’t pass.

The Founders looked at the various colonies they came from as very distinct regions that had very different requirements and needs. They promoted a compromise that would best help everyone as best they could.

Ask someone on the Left why every state gets two and only two senators? Should California and New York get more, since they have more people? Since blacks only make up 13% of the total population, shouldn’t they get only 13% Congressional representation and economic benefits?

No, the whole thing is just a dumb idea, since pure democracy depends on the suppression of the foibles and prejudices that naturally occur in mankind. Pure democracy will never see some voters doing what’s good for everyone, but rather to just themselves.

One other thing is this.

Changing the Constitution requires 2/3rds of the States to agree to it. That isn’t going to happen vis-à-vis the Electoral College. For this reason alone I am against the formation of a Constitutional Convention. The Left—not the Right—would run rampant in such a gathering.


10 posted on 07/09/2018 8:31:02 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (MAGAMarchOnWashington.com)
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To: Alas Babylon!
...we are a representative republic...

No, we AREN'T! We are a Constitutional Republic.

Simply ask yourself this...what establishes the representation of which you speak?

As you have things, you're putting the cart before the horse.

17 posted on 07/09/2018 9:03:01 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Alas Babylon!; philman_36; MosesKnows
"Ask someone on the Left why every state gets two and only two senators? Should California and New York get more, since they have more people? Since blacks only make up 13% of the total population, shouldn’t they get only 13% Congressional representation and economic benefits?
You do not understand what makes our republic... We have a Union of several states, sovereign states. This union is of a Constitutional Republic form, not a representative form.

This means that by contract, the Constitution, gives each state a (2) senator representation equal amongst the several state. It is this state interest, not the people within the states, that makes up our union... a union that is a constitutional republic, not a representative republic.

It is why we have a Senate. A chamber that argues for the specific interests of the state and the union it is a member of. It is the Senate which makes us a Republic, not the House of Representatives.

The House, a chamber of representatives of the people at large sent by each states districts to secure the interest of the people of the several states to guard against any interests voted for by the Senate(the republic or union), that would be repugnant against the sovereign interests of the people of the states and their Constitutional protections.

This is all covered in the Federalist Papers and the notes from the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

Of course each chamber is recognized for whom there interests lay... for example:

States:

The Senate has judicial oversight and approval because the Justices for any federal appointments are made for the interest of the Republic(the states), or Senate, not the House. This is deliberate because the Constitution is a contract between the several states, not the people. The POTUS state of the union address is given in the Senate chamber because the President, as well as the entire Federal government, is an agent of the states, not the people. The President answers to the Senate/the-states not the people/the-house.

The Federal Government exists mainly for the protection of and to guarantee for every state a republican form of government... not the governing of individuals.

Each state has their own president (the governor) as well as a unique state constitution, legislature and judicial branch. Why?? Because each state is a separate sovereign nation state, a country of it's own self government, where most of these nation states border each other. No different than Poland, France, Germany, Italy... etc. Get the picture? The EU, The USA. Though each union is formed by different unique contracts, none-the-less, are still Unions.

The House:

Taxation originates in the house where it's impact is most felt by those who must pay the bills.

Articles of Impeachment, Power of Impeachment (a formal indictment by the house), is a check against executive branch abuse to use by the House if the people of the several states have decided that the Unions chief representative/executive and Commander, the POTUS, is acting against the iterests of the people, the union, the office or the Constitution... aka: treason, high crimes & misdemeanors and/or dereliction of duties. The Senate is then responsible to try & convict being the court that prosecutes it's unions CEO.

Of course the 17th Amendment destroyed our Republic by having Senators directly elected by popular vote. The Senate and House reps are now one big House of Representatives that both answer directly to the entire state electorate and the interest of the people and is the main reason our Federal government is no longer functioning as intended. There is no longer a check and balance between the House and Senate, the interest of the Constitutional Republic vs the interest of the caucus-mob and raiders of the treasury ... the people. Our once limited Federal government has been corrupted to serve only the interests of the people/mob. The interests of the Republican union and the Republic that our Constitution created are now gone, desolved by the 17th Amendment.

Repeal the 17th. The
40 posted on 07/09/2018 12:37:09 PM PDT by Bellagio
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