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To: circlecity; DaveA37; central_va

” “A rifle behind every blade of grass” ‘ [circlecity, post 4]

“Considering the majority of civilian owned guns, which are obviously of less than comparable sophistication vs those weapons the military has, that “estimation” significance is grossly overstated.” [DaveA37, post 8]

“Ok, but I fail to see your point. Can you elaborate?” [central_va, post 11]

Posts by circlecity and central_va allude to the belief - widely held by American gun enthusiasts and Second Amendment supporters - that the high rate of gun ownership among US citizens will prevent takeover of the country by any military force, foreign or domestic.

DaveA37’s post questions this, arguing that the nature and capabilities of modern military armaments degrade any effectiveness to be found in large masses of civilians bearing very light firearms.

The belief’s more of a conceit. It’s not supported by any historical case. The most succinct summary of available evidence can be found in _Winston’s War: Churchill, 1940-1945_ by Max Hastings (Vintage: 2011; ISBN-10: 0307388719; ISBN-13: 978-0307388711). After examining the various resistance movements in the nations occupied by Nazi Germany during World War Two, author Hastings concluded that they accomplished very little against German units - no matter how important they were in keeping up morale among occupied populations, or reviving national self-respect after the German surrender.

Many Americans attribute success in the American War of Independence to the existence of an armed populace; national defense was based on this “militia are better” notion for many years after 1783. But the concept was invalidated soon after: the War of 1812 came as a rude shock. Something more substantive was needed, beyond townspeople and farmers toting muskets in the ranks of hurriedly-raised militia. Professionalization and better armaments were indispensable. John R Elting’s _Amateurs, To Arms!: A Military History Of The War Of 1812_ (Da Capo, 1995; ISBN-10: 0306806533; ISBN-13: 978-0306806537).

It’s not merely weaponry. A regular military unit will be organized, trained, supplied, cohesive, and motivated. These attributes can improve its changes against a unit - even a larger one - not up to snuff in said areas. Average citizens rarely have the time, resources, or knowledge to reach such a level.


39 posted on 06/24/2018 9:39:47 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: schurmann
It took 130,000 US troops to suppress about 10,000 insurgents in Iraq. A country about the size of Kalifornia.

Also, there is a large contingent of former military in the civilian population many with years of combat experience. IMHO the German/Europe comparison in WW2 does not hold up.

40 posted on 06/24/2018 9:47:19 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (.)
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To: schurmann; circlecity; DaveA37; central_va

The US standing army is flea on the back of a wolf. It is only 800,000 with half faggots, REMFs and support units. The best are overseas. The USA Army could NOT put down a rebellion in Florida let only the entire USA! It’s a joke to think so. There are more counties(around 3000) the USA than M-1a tanks. One tank per county LOL!


42 posted on 06/24/2018 10:19:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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