Elm St.?
Main St.?
Commerce St.?
I suppose you're the expert, right?
Posted on 05/29/2018 8:33:59 AM PDT by kathsua
It was the usual parade route. Nothing changed.
Kind of disproved. And it was and M-14, not an AR 15. Captured in a photo after the Limo passed under the triple underpass.
Exactly, Oswald was put in place there prior to the trip by CIA operatives proving they were either culpably ignorant of LHO or complicit. There is no other reasonable explanation.
Several of the more recently released archives on the JFK assassination detail and document Oswald’s contact and workings with CIA operatives. That’s material that has been kept hidden for over half a century. And there is much more being with held for no legitimate reason but to hide the truth.
Oswald had been an unemployed drifter for quite a few years. He had no vehicle. How did he possibly come up with the means to travel to Russia or Mexico much less to sustain himself....
Hey, idiot! I never said you said he was not involved. You are too stupid to read my posts. I forbid you from reading my posts beyond this one!
Elm St.?
Main St.?
Commerce St.?
I suppose you're the expert, right?
STFU idiot and stop posting to me. You are too stupid.
somebody frontrunning to control what’s about to all come out finally?
YES. The Kennedy family immediately felt the CIA was involved and Bobby clearly stated that.
After the recently released files, LHO ties and involvement with the Agency are documented facts.
Which leaves two explanations regarding the CIA’s role.
1. They were negligent and ignorant in their handling of LHO and failed to define and contain a viable threat.
2. They were complicit in the cover-up and the assassination.
Main Street is the usual parade route through Dallas. You make a right on S. Houston, then left on Elm. This is the only way to get to the entrance ramp to Northbound Interstate 35E. He was going north to the Dallas Trade Mart to make his speech. You do not have to be an expert to know this.
Oswald just got a job at the Book Depository to sustain Maria and the trip to Dallas was planned about three months after Oswald was working there. No conspiracy on that.
I agree with you. I have been at the Sixth Floor Museum and looked down at Elm Street. My first reaction looking down is what an easy shot it would have been.
Decades ago I was an instructor for General Electric running a control room simulator. Trainees would sit at real stations and respond to simulated drills. They would watch meters and dial indicators, lights and alarms, etc. One trainee would act as the control room supervisor while others would sit at stations monitoring and reporting to the trainee supervisor.
From my simulator station out of the sight of the trainees, I would call up drills for them to react to. One such drill was a simulated meter malfunction. I then started the drill and watched the trainees response.
Within minutes I saw two trainees nearly get into a fistfight over what happened. They were screaming at each other about what they saw. One saw a critical meter peg high and turned around to report to the trainee supervisor. Another trainee turned around and reported the meter had pegged low. The required response was dependent on what was seen.
These trainees were both right and wrong. Their problem was their views were incomplete. They did not have the full picture. The malfunctioning meter was programmed to be erratic, pegging high, then pegging low. The trainees viewed the meter at different times.
You see this is a human problem. People fight over ‘facts’ that are in conflict not realizing the ‘facts’ are volatile, they are changing.
From your #141:
“It was the usual parade route. Nothing changed.”
From your #149:
“Main Street is the usual parade route through Dallas.”
And:
“You make a right on S. Houston, then left on Elm.”
which is not via Main Street. So you contradicted yourself.
> “ This is the only way to get to the entrance ramp to Northbound Interstate 35E”
So you are reading things on the internet, eh? I can read there too. But there is a difference in how I read. I never believe automatically what I am reading unless it’s a source that I have come to respect over a long time period or I invest the time to confirm myself. The only reason I am paying attention to this now is that deep state CIA is in the news about Trump. And there is a valid concern that these bad actors have been following a traitorous playbook since the JFK assassination.
Many writers are writing different accounts and points of view. There are conflicts. That’s when I say “Ok, the facts are in dispute, the truth is not known.” The differing accounts are coming from people that are respected by others, they are not cranks or kooks. There are legitimate questions asked by reasonable people, so it is logical to not choose to jump to a conclusion. My mind says there is no clear conclusion as to what was behind the JFK assassination.
Yet some people, immature foolish unwise types especially, will waste so much time defending their views when in fact they don’t have the big picture. But God forbid one tells them that. Their heads might explode.
Here is what you are missing:
Fact 1: What you are not reading is that the Secret Service had not preliminarily approved the route until Monday, Nov 18 and then it was changed and was subject to further changes.
Fact 2: What was published in the Dallas newspapers on Tuesday, November 19 concerning the motorcade route was a proposed route subject to change at any time. That is standard.
Fact 3: The Secret Service communicates and coordinates with the FBI and the CIA to obtain intel needed to clear all travel arrangements concerning the President and members of the President’s circle. Such intel is continuously incoming and plans are adjusted as necessary.
Fact 4: The Secret Service knew of Oswald and by procedure was required to clear the route where Oswald recently started working. Question: a legitimate question, why/who put Oswald to work in the TSBD? This is a legitimate question to ask by an investigator. The public now knows Oswald was tied to the CIA and Oswald started working in a building along the motorcade route days before. These new facts do not conclude the CIA carried out a coup. But they also do not conclude that Oswald acted alone.
Fact 5: There were two luncheon sites under consideration. One luncheon site was the Trade Mart, but there was another. Depending which was chosen determined whether the motorcade would continue down Main Street through Dealey Plaza or turn to get on Elm Street. And the plan could change at any moment.
The above is a microcosm of questions, doubts, suspicions surrounding the JFK assassination. This is why so many write books and give conflicting accounts about what might have happened. Many facts appear to conflict but are consistent with a correct timeline. Yet people will argue to no end about what the facts actually were even though the facts were changing with time.
What was recently declassified does not look good for the lone gunman theory. And more will come soon. I lean toward rogue actors in the CIA who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs fiasco and who planned to take down this Irish mafia prince while setting up a Patsy, and then whack the Patsy so the truth would be extinguished. They hated JFK. I lean toward GHW Bush being involved in some way. I ‘lean’ but I don’t jump to conclusions. I ‘lean’ based on facts and knowledge of human character. But I don’t conclude until all the facts are in and even then, there may be no satisfactory conclusion.
You may want to re-research that assumption and your timeline:
http://jfkfacts.org/lee-harvey-oswalds-application-to-work-at-the-texas-school-book-depository/
FUNNY- LHO began working at the TSBD on October 16.
FUNNY that LHO rented a room nearby -2 days prior to applying for the job there.
FUNNY that LHO submitted his TBSD application on the same day Robert Adams of the Texas Employment Commission phoned the Paine residence with a much better higher paying job prospect for Oswald.
More FUNNY -Adams testimony is that he spoke with someone at the Paine’s number about the job and left a message for Oswald to call back. He tried calling again the next day (Oct 16) and was told Oswald was not there and had already started working.
Why would the Paynes, who were purportedly trying to assist the Oswald family, not inform Lee about a superior job offer?
POTUS really should release the remaining JFK files and let the chips fall as they may.
CIA was at best -negligent of ignoring a serious threat.
Exactly: “What was recently declassified does not look good for the lone gunman theory. And more will come soon. I lean toward rogue actors in the CIA who were pissed about the Bay of Pigs fiasco...setting up a Patsy....They hated JFK.”
“I lean toward GHW Bush being involved in some way....”-
>>>Ever wonder how Texan Jeb ends up in South Florida in the heart of the Cuban community? Poppy’s ties run very deep in the Cuban community. And there weren’t many Cubans in Texas during the 1960’s. Lest we forget, there was one by the name of Rafael Cruz - also of New Orleans, Louisiana.
>>As a result of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, there were no shortage of men, (both Cuban American and homegrown involved) who would have been itching to do the deed. Make no doubt about that.
>>JFK researchers have noted that there were at least two similar plans along prior JFK motorcade routes that were aborted.
” I ‘lean’ but I don’t jump to conclusions. I ‘lean’ based on facts and knowledge of human character. But I don’t conclude until all the facts are in and even then, there may be no satisfactory conclusion.”
>>There probably won’t be a clear and perfect answer. They have had a million chances to fabricate and falsify and destroy records related to the crime. Many material witnesses disappeared or died throughout the 1960’s and the rest have expired with time.
It strongly appears that the Agency has operated as a rogue agency for well over half a century and without major intervention, this will continue.
Prayers up that POTUS Trump survives and for America’s prosperity.
Go ahead and press the abuse button then, moron. They can read a thread and see who waaaaaay overreacted to who. Enjoy your week off.
Sorry, I do not contradict myself.
From you
““You make a right on S. Houston, then left on Elm.”
which is not via Main Street. So you contradicted yourself.
> “ This is the only way to get to the entrance ramp to Northbound Interstate 35E”
Look at the map. I am 100 % correct. Go west on Main, North on S. Houston, and west on Elm to get to the entrance ramp for northbound Interstate 35 E. Have you ever been to Dallas to check this out?
And two luncheon sites? Have you seen the photos of the people at the Trade Mart saying a prayer for Kennedy? It is set out for a dinner. Why would they have two sites set out? And what was the second site?
Well, heck, that's a relief - was expecting the media to start blaming America's favorite "Black Rifle" for killing JFK. I'll refer 'em to you, if the subject ever comes up...
;^)
Here we are 55 years later and despite the confusion over this, it actually turned out ok. After all, if we had 8 years of Kennedy, we would have had 8 more of the retarded son, then probably a term for his sister who isn’t any better than Hildabeast. And then what?
Dodged a bullet, I’d say.
Yep, sure looks like an AR15 M14 to me...
;^)
Reasonable JFK synopsis...
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