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To: HarleyD

Human depravity is a fact of life that takes people, but not God, by surprise, who before the foundation of the earth knew exactly what he was going to to about man’s hopeless condition - redemption by the sacrifice of His own precious Son knowing man would be completely helpless to fix his terminally depraved, willful-sinning condition.

Your problem is not distinguishing those in Christ from those outside Christ. This discussion is about those in Christ, who are “saved to the uttermost”, are under “no condemnation”, and of whom God says, “Their sins and iniquities I remember no more” (Heb. 8:12;10:17).

As I said, don’t think your sins are any less “depraved” than the sodomites. So don’t condemn the Christian sodomite and don’t let Satan condemn you when you sin, because the Christian sodomite and you are the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Cor 5:21).

How so? Because righteous is not what the Christian sodomite or you do - righteousness is God’s gift (Rom. 5:17). Righteous is RIGHT STANDING with God. Once the sodomite and you are in Christ the sodomite Christian and you have right standing with God. Never judge the sodomites’ or your standing with God by their or your performance. Always judge the Christian sodomite and yourself by both of your STANDING with God which NEVER changes.

— Before receiving Christ, were you a sinner because you sinned? No. You were born a sinner. Were you righteous because you did some good deeds? No. You remained a sinner because you were of Adam’s seed doomed to sin and death. Of yourself, you could never change your depraved condition.

— Likewise, after receiving Christ, were you righteous because of your righteous deeds? No. You were born again - a new creation in Christ - you were BORN RIGHTEOUS. Are you a sinner because you sin after receiving Christ? No. You remain righteous because you are of God’s seed destined for life and blessing forever. You are now eternally God’s seed and you can never change your blessed standing with God.

Otherwise, you are saying Adam’s sin was greater than Christ’s sacrifice. Is Adam greater than Christ, the Son of the Living God? Of course not and Scripture confirms it when it quotes Jesus as saying, “I will NEVER leave or forsake [the Christian sodomite or] you” (Heb 13:5).

I would suggest a study in the gospel of the grace of Christ in the NT especially in Romans and Galatians. Once you accept the truth of the gospel of the grace of Christ, maybe I can share with you a secret to defeating Satan no matter what, as described in Isaiah 54:17 and Romans 5:17.


62 posted on 04/19/2018 2:55:39 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Your problem is not distinguishing those in Christ from those outside Christ.

Not so. Based upon what you wrote, I would suggest that you just accept anyone who says that they are a Christian as a Christian. Furthermore, you seem to want to complain that I simply don't understand the grace of God. You seem absolutely fixated on this topic rather than understanding the whole gospel. Here you have a pro-gay activist who wants to "re-interpert" the Bible to suit his agenda and you want to lecture me that I do not understand the doctrine of grace.

Just because someone states they are in Christ does not mean it is so. Just because this person in the article makes these claims does not make it so. Trouble is these days that people accept every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along spouting some goofy doctrine and "re-interperting" scripture to fit their goals. Paul had no problem in putting these types of people out of the church and he blatantly chastised the Corinthian church for allowing such apostasy in their mist.

I would refer you to Paul's instructions:

Do you honestly think the principles espoused in this article represents sound doctrine?

The doctrine of grace has NOTHING to do with false teachers that arises in the church. It sounds to me like you cannot distinguish a false teacher from a genuine one.


63 posted on 04/20/2018 1:23:00 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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