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To: Poison Pill

“It is religious literature

There is no corroboration in the secular record of any systematic Christian persecution in the 1st. C. It didn’t happen.”


Really, my friend, you need to do your homework. Here are 4 secular sources speaking about the persecution. (And why were Christians in the catacombs in Rome?—Did they enjoy living underground?)

Tacitus (56 AD – 117; Annals 15:44):

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

Pliny the Younger (61 AD -113; Letters [to Emperor Trajan] 10:96-97):
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Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ–none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do–these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food–but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition.
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Trajan to Pliny the Younger
You observed proper procedure, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those who had been denounced to you as Christians. For it is not possible to lay down any general rule to serve as a kind of fixed standard. They are not to be sought out; if they are denounced and proved guilty, they are to be punished, with this reservation, that whoever denies that he is a Christian and really proves it–that is, by worshiping our gods–even though he was under suspicion in the past, shall obtain pardon through repentance. But anonymously posted accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age.”

Suetonius (Life of Claudius 25.4)
“As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome.”


18 posted on 03/31/2018 10:38:13 PM PDT by shoe212 (One of the few Conservative professors in the Midwest.)
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To: shoe212
Tacitus is a 4th C. forgery which comes down through the church.

Pliny is authentic, but they were not prosecuted for being Christian. Originally, Pliny doesn't even know what Christianity is. Their crime was assembling without an imperial licence, not for any specific religious practice. Pliny's problem with them was political. Now did some of them die, yes. Rome could be a very tough place. But Pliny wasn't after them for their theology. But, Pliny aside, there was nothing systematic about 1st C persecution.

20 posted on 04/01/2018 8:28:29 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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