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To: Luircin; daniel1212; MHGinTN
I am totally in agreement with the first statement and totally against the second one.

Sorry for your Lutheran error, passed down from the Doctor of Theology who just couldn't let go of many Catholic presumptions, like denominationalism, paedobaptism, (con)substantiation, and a priest/layman two-level polity. Although I will say I believe the sole fide approach can lead a seeker to spiritual regeneration, it is fairly clear that following Luther's dogma too closely will take one off into left field and away from home plate regarding progressive sanctification.

But thank you for your comment. I do not believe that at the point of institution of the Memorial Supper, the Jesus of Nazareth was chomping of His Own Body nor was He drinking of His Own Blood, despite what others may wish to superstitiously trust in. It was undoubtedly clear that the select disciple/apostles did not carry this impression away with them.

The wafer is just wafer, and the juice just juice which, when these elements have served their purpose of emblematically calling to mind Jesus' death, thence they have no longer any useful function except as being digested, extracting carbohydrates' calorific value, with the remains being eliminated as waste.

(Thinking of Romans 14 as describing the situation. Soul liberty, with later accountability figuring in the equation.)

The disciples I teach find from Scripture that the Word of God is spiritually nourishing, to be ingested, digested, and incorporated as applying to their growth in Christ.

"Neither have I gone back from the commandment of (H)is lips; I have esteemed the words of (H)is mouth more than my necessary food" (Job 23:12 AV; my capitalization of proper nouns).

"Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and (T)hy (W)ord was unto me as the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I an called by (T)hy (N)ame, O LORD God of the hosts" (Jeremiah 15:16 AV; my capitalization of proper nouns).

This spiritual food becomes a part of the God-possessed individual's spiritual constitution, is never-dying, incorruptible, eternal in nature, and never to be eliminated as waste.

Selah.


Thank you, LORD, for saving my soul;
Thank you, LORD, for making me whole.
Thank you, LORD, for giving to me,
Thy full salvation so rich and free!

And thank you, LORD, for your edifying Biblical doctrine.

29 posted on 03/19/2018 3:18:28 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Gaudeamus igitur, juvenes dum sumus)
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To: imardmd1
Lots more blessed classic hymns here , by the grace of God.
36 posted on 03/19/2018 4:03:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: imardmd1

As the Apostle Paul wrote: “23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.”

Some have told me that Paul’s referring to sinning against the body of Christ as in the church body, but that doesn’t wash, because the church body has never been referred to as ‘the body and blood of the Lord.’

So I’m just going to be assuming that Paul said what he meant and meant what he said.


45 posted on 03/19/2018 9:46:48 PM PDT by Luircin
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