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The First Step to Preventing More School Shootings: Remove the FBI From the Equation
DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon

Posted on 02/16/2018 10:58:07 AM PST by EyesOfTX

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To: EyesOfTX

This is the first time I’ve read that cops were called to his house 39 times. All I’ve heard is that he had no criminal background.


21 posted on 02/16/2018 11:21:43 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: dsc

He had a driver’s license. The FBI could have found him. Once they did the ATF could have queried FFLs. The FBI and ATF should have been able to locate Cruz before the school shooting and the time of the youtube notice.


22 posted on 02/16/2018 11:22:42 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: EyesOfTX
In spite of all of those things and more, this 19 year-old who could not purchase a beer at the corner 7-11 managed to pass the FBI background check to legally purchase a semi-automatic rifle from a local gun dealer. Apparently, all that violent behavior and mental health issues raised no red flags with the nation’s “premier law enforcement agency,” which the FBI loves to call itself.

This kind of bovine excrement really pi55es me off. Was the 19 year old ever convicted of a felony crime or misdemeanor crime punishable by more than one year in jail? Was the 19 year old ever adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law? Was the 19 year old ever convicted of misdemeanor domestic abuse? If not, then on what grounds should the 19 year old have been stripped of his constitutional rights by the FBI, by the NICS system, or by the FFL who sold him the rifle?

How many other "troubled" individuals should have their constitutional rights revoked in advance of any prohibiting behavior? Are we now the office of pre-crime? Are we now going to act on the concept of prior restraint - revoking rights or even jailing individuals because someone thinks that they might commit a future crime?

Yeah, this a-hole had serious issues, and local and state law enforcement and school officials had ample opportunity to respond appropriately to get this individual help or to charge him with a crime and remove him from society. But unless and until the individual is charged and convicted of a crime, there is little that the FBI or NICS could have done to strip him of his constitutional rights. Or yours.

23 posted on 02/16/2018 11:24:06 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: EyesOfTX

This was very well said.


24 posted on 02/16/2018 11:24:40 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: miss marmelstein

The Media is pathetic.. Except for a handful.. most of them are either incompetent or fraudulent. We Never get ‘the truth and nothing but the truth’ from them. Most of the time we have it figured out before the do!


25 posted on 02/16/2018 11:29:43 AM PST by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Thanking the Lord Jesus every day for President Donald J. Trump!")
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To: EyesOfTX

Would beefing up the US Marshall’s office and giving them more responsibility be a better idea?


26 posted on 02/16/2018 11:31:32 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: EyesOfTX

And put up a sign that says:
“Warning the teachers in this institution are armed and have been trained in the use of firearms.”


27 posted on 02/16/2018 11:32:32 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code amd only practiced by warriors.)
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth

Yes, because they want such events to be crises for the left to use.


28 posted on 02/16/2018 11:35:33 AM PST by madison10 (Pray for President Trump.)
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To: EyesOfTX

The FBI has become bag men for the DNC. The only mystery is why the federal government is paying their salaries.


29 posted on 02/16/2018 11:36:01 AM PST by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: meatloaf
The FBI could have run the name through state DMV records and found everyone with that name. Depending on whether the NCIS check was retained, there would have been a match with a firearms purchase.

All the FBI has to do is to run the serial number of the rifle with the manufacturer, who will report to which distributor they sold the firearm.

Then the FBI gives the serial number to the distributor who will report the name of the retailer that they sold the rifle to.

Then the FBI simply goes to the retailer with the serial number of the rifle, and the FFL dealer will produce the Form 4473 that was filled out at the time of the sale of the gun. (FFLs are required to retain all 4473s for the duration of their time in business, then to forward them to the ATF if they cease to be a business.)

On that 4473 will be a unique NICS approval number, proving that the individual on the 4473 passed the NICS check, the name of the individual who purchased the firearm, and what ID was used to identify the individual.

There is a process that is deliberately difficult enough that it can be used to trace an individual weapon used in a crime back to its owner, yet not able be used to trace all weapons owned by an individual.

At least on a federal level. States like California, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois maintain their own firearms ownership lists. Other states like Florida do not.

30 posted on 02/16/2018 11:37:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: EyesOfTX
The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

So another problems appears brightly:

Bureaucracies exist to perpetuate themselves not to solve problems.

Why didn't the FBI copy / contact a local sheriff or the local PD to have them check on the kid, or even their own records?

Policing at its best is a local function, and the FBI should be restricted to national or inter-state issues.

Does the FBI understand that the CC: field can be used?

Or is that violating some obscure rule?

31 posted on 02/16/2018 11:38:23 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: LIConFem

I agree as the FBI is full of AFGE union members who damn sure are not going to work more then the ghost hours all other federal employees, such as the VA, do.

Our civil service is a damn joke and we pay their salaries plus you name it. Look at the idiots who head our national intel agencies plus the CIA and FBI. Our Gov dept heads and staff live in the highest dollar suburbs of DC. An E-4 who ran recon in my unit after I left works for the State Dept. He lives like a CEO. These Govt. clowns get online advanced degrees that we pay for and then they become GS 14-15’s who we pay more for. I respect the men I served with who did the combat CIA OPS like the ones who were on the ground in Afghan when our SF teams jumped in. The others-NO.


32 posted on 02/16/2018 11:38:28 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: Yo-Yo

The FBI did not have a serial number before the killings and the rifle was found.

My post pointed out the negligence of the FBI by not finding Cruz after the youtube comment last Sept. They had four months to find him. Perhaps finding a missing NFL jersey is more important.


33 posted on 02/16/2018 11:46:52 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

“He had a driver’s license. The FBI could have found him.”

Sure they could. But they are scumbags.

No decent people work for the FBI. Not one. They are all scum. The bad drive out the good, always.


34 posted on 02/16/2018 11:50:00 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: EyesOfTX

“””Perhaps the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms or U.S. Marshalls service have personnel who actually care about protecting human lives. “””

BATF? nahh, don’t think so

How about the FBI being relegated strictly to helping local law enforcement by simply handling the info part of it, like the gun reg database and national crime labs, national crime records etc. No investigating, no ops, no raids.

They could also handle interstate transport of federal criminals and defendants.


35 posted on 02/16/2018 11:54:25 AM PST by Pollard (TRUMP 2020)
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To: meatloaf
My post pointed out the negligence of the FBI by not finding Cruz after the youtube comment last Sept.

My profound apologies for my error.

I assume you've seen this: FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida

36 posted on 02/16/2018 11:55:06 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: dsc

Cruz just recently purchased the rifle (after the tips).

Given that the FBI had been given two tips to check this guy out and failed, Cruz should have been on the FBI reject purchase list, but wasn’t.


37 posted on 02/16/2018 12:02:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: EyesOfTX

Wrong, wrong, wrong! The FBI is the premiere law enforcement agency in the world, and each and every one of their agents is a paragon of laser-focused competence, dedicating 24 hours of each day to solving and preventing criminal activity (and nothing else! You betcha!).

Is Mr. Blackmon really suggesting that the Hollywood TV shows and movies the FBI sponsors is wrong about the FBI? How dare he!


38 posted on 02/16/2018 12:02:44 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: EyesOfTX

As good as this gent’s rant was, he COMPLETELY forgot The Las Vegas Massacre.

That has now been bollocksed into a cocked hat.


39 posted on 02/16/2018 12:05:20 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Yo-Yo

You can flag people in that database without denying their right to buy a gun.


40 posted on 02/16/2018 12:08:18 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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