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To: Oldpuppymax

Reason Number 4: Germans have thoroughly exposed the evils of Nazism, have taken responsibility for them and have attempted to atone for them. Russians have not done anything similar regarding Lenin’s or Stalin’s horrors. To the contrary, Lenin, the father of Soviet communism, is still widely venerated in Russia. And as regards Stalin, as University of London Russian historian Donald Rayfield puts it, “People still deny, by assertion or implication, Stalin’s holocaust.”
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This gets it half right. While the largest ethnic group in the russian communist party at the time stalin were the great russians—the second largest group in the russian communist part at the time of stalin —were the russian jews. they have taken more responsibility for the mass murders in the old soviet union than have the russians.

but maybe the russian jews, the russians the chinese and the cambodians have dealt with their crimes correctly. maybe it is the germans who have totally gone overboard with the whole historic guilt thing. after all what kind of people decides to totally abort themselves and replace themselve with people who despise them as the germans are doing currently.


29 posted on 09/26/2017 9:34:37 AM PDT by ckilmer (q e)
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To: ckilmer

People still deny, by assertion or implication, Stalin’s holocaust. .................................. Tell that to the millions who were taken off the streets, or dragged out of their homes to disappear in the Frozen North. They still find mass graves of murdered slave laborers preserved in the frozen ground. When the Germans entered Russia in WW II, they were welcomed by those in Eastern Europe who were under Russian Control. We believed everything the Russians told us, since FDR had enough Stalin Sympathizers in our Government, in our wartime research and development departments, and our state department appointees looked the other way. Stalin Good, Hitler very bad, even though after Stalins death a lot came out, he was apparently forgiven by the left. So what if 26 million were killed, it was a mixed group, it wasn’t just one selected part of the population. Yup, tell that to the Ukrainians.


38 posted on 09/26/2017 9:51:43 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: ckilmer

Generally true but I have seen documentaries and spoken to some Germans and it is rather spooky this trend now to moral relativism. There still are sons for instance who say their Nazis fathers had no choice in what they did. A few Germans I have known even morally equate Dresden to whatever the Nazis did to the Allies. As though they are building up an argument that both sides were in the wrong.


58 posted on 09/26/2017 10:26:14 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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