Posted on 09/20/2017 12:25:34 PM PDT by C19fan
Rand Paul might soon go down as the Republican who saved Obamacare — and he couldn’t care less.
"I'm actually happy to be out there as the leading advocate for repealing Obamacare, not keeping it," the Kentucky Republican said in an interview. Of his GOP colleagues, Paul added: "These people, they so totally do not get it."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
That is true but there was a straight up vote repealing ObamaCare and it failed. At this point the Senate can have a vote repealing ObamaCare everyday and it will fail everyday.The question is what is the next best alternative.
Rand Paul wants Obamacare REPEALED, not some pathetic GOP face-saving gesture that leaves the dysfunction and corruption in tact forever.
Lindsey Graham, of all people, is leading his new “repeal.” That should tell you something right there. Do you have any idea what Graham is proposing? No - and neither do many other people outside of the US Senate.
So now the RINO’s have found a convenient scapegoat in Rand Paul and you jump up for them. So be it.
Last time he said ,”I cannot in good conscience vote for a bailout for insurance companies”. Ok, understandable, even commendable. His time he said, it doesn’t give a bailout but it has other problems blah blah blah. At this point he is not doing this in good faith and may have other reasons for wanting to keep Obamacare. He has had a year, no bills and no closer to getting people on his side
Right or wrong is the question. Replacing one disaster with another simply to say you did something is not a solution. Two or three years from now you're back where you started from. Paul is preventing them from kicking the can down the road yet again.
“Does the saying “Don’t Let the Perfect Be the Enemy of the Good” apply? “
Absolutely. Paul has the misguided idea that successive battles will never mean victory, it is always all out war or nothing. That is why he has NEVER won any of his own offered legislation in Congress. To him it is a pleasure just to be a thorn in every one’s side.
Did any of these asshats take an oath to the Constitution?
The fed gov has no business involving themselves in healthcare.
The fact that the Repubikans have funded the unconstitutional monstrosity, Obolacare, for 7 years tells you everything you need to know about how they honor their oaths.
States get to keep there money. As long as the federal government doesn’t mandate everything that’s called Federalism. This should be seen as a tax cut to the States if you ask me. You can fight it locally which is the way the government is supposed to work. Yes, ultimately this is a federal budget line item still but it’s a good step. Ultimately I’d like to see the money not get to Washington in the first place but this is a step in he right direction (as I understand the plan)
the votes are not there and they won’t be there anytime soon
The repeal failed by one vote, and McCain voted with Dems. Remove McCain from his Chairmanship for blocking the repeal.
States get a boatload of money from the federal government.
This should be seen as a tax cut to the States if you ask me.
It should be seen as a cash windfall to the states if you ask me.
Here is why:
"Here’s the problem. There should be no need for waivers from a federal health insurance program because there should be no federal health insurance program."
The Graham-Cassidy Obamacare replacement bill continues a federal health insurance program. There should be no federal health insurance program.
Rand Paul knows this.
Voting for a Graham-Cassidy Obamacare replacement bill is voting for Obamacare-Lite! It is voting for a federal health insurance program. There should be no federal health insurance program.
Here is a real good discussion on this:
"If Graham-Cassidy is federalism, undercooked chicken is medium rare"
http://thefederalistparty.org/2017/09/19/graham-cassidy-federalism-undercooked-chicken-medium-rare/
Huge numbers of Kentuckians are on this welfare and Paul does not want to be blamed for changing it in any way. He is staunchly pro-Obamacare, because that’s where the votes are. He has zero desire to repeal or to replace or to change it in any way.
Rand Paul is correct!
Here is why:
“Obamacare replacement bill misses on the two most important goals of repeal”
The Graham-Cassidy Obamacare replacement bill is still federal control over healthcare.
IT IS NOT A REPEAL!
IT IS OBAMACARE-LITE!
People pay federal taxes and the government gives that money to the States. Ok, ideally the feds shouldn’t be faxing the people for this. I think we agree there. What this does is give the money taxed from citizens of the States to the States. It should be proportional to how much fed taxes are collected from each state. Now, what I see that as is the federal government mandating that each state must spend X amount on Healthcare. Unconstitutional for sure but the alternative is he government not only saying each state must do healthcare but that they have to have x policies which cover x diseases. Unconstitutional and stupid since the feds have no idea of the needs of each state. At least this gives some control to do things that make sense at the state level. Believe me, I know this isn’t constitutional by it’s better than what they are doing now (if even just a little). Country didn’t get screwed with one bill and won’t get fixed with one bill. Just make sure after this passes the quest for changing this garbage doesn’t stop. Incremental fixes if you can do one big bill to repeal (which they clearly cannot)
He has zero desire to repeal or to replace or to change it in any way.
Rand Paul voted for the repeal bill that got 49 votes, one short of passing. 3 Republicans voted against it. Blame them.
can someone tell me where the actual text of gramnesty’s bill is?
That article is all I needed to see.
It doesn’t destroy the HHS and leaves the federal government in charge of all healthcare regulations - meaning the death panels are still there.
This bill is a sham and leaves the centralized control structures in place to fast pass nationalized healthcare as soon as the Dems get back in office.
Hey McCain - thumbs down on you and your little buddy.
Also - let’s not forget that Obamacare DIES in 2018 because the federal government is no longer on the hook to pay losses to the insurance companies next year. (That’s why they’re whining for a bailout law) and the federal bureaucracy will still be there.
Basically Lindsay is trying to pass bailout plan b with some red meat for the conservatives but leaves the most onerous portions of Obamacare IN PLACE.
let’s not forget that Obamacare DIES in 2018
If the Republicans don’t bail it out.
If anyone wants to find out where any of the republicans stand on a repeal of Obamacare, all that has to happen is for the GOP leadership to offer up one of the 54 straight up repeal bills that were offered to Obama.
Why doesn’t the GOP do this?
“More than 50 high-profile repeal votes” when Obama was in office?
“Now in total control of Congress and the White House, some GOP legislators are saying that the political assault on Obamacare was an exercise in cynical politics, and that an outright repeal was never on the table.”
“GOP Lawmakers Now Admit Years of Obamacare Repeal Votes Were a Sham”
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/31/repeal-votes-obamacare/
“They may have campaigned that way, they may have voted that way a couple of years ago when it didn’t make any difference,” Brooks continued. “But now that it makes a difference, there seems to not be the majority support that we need to pass legislation that we passed 50 or 60 times over five or six years.”
No, instead, we get OBAMCARE-LITE.
OBAMCARE-LITE
RINOCARE
Graham-Cassidy snowflake replacement bill
WHAT A JOKE!
If anyone wants to find out where any of the republicans stand on a repeal of Obamacare, all that has to happen is for the GOP leadership to offer up one of the 54 straight up repeal bills that were offered to Obama.
They offered that recently. It got 49 votes, with McCain voted against it.
McCain said he voted against it because it didn’t go through regular order, but he voted for the repeals that didn’t go through regular order when Obama was President.
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