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To: Redmen4ever

Speaking of extreme, you seem to have extreme difficulty explaining who the make-believe right wing extremists are. No group you have yet mentioned has it’s roots anywhere near the so called right wing. I would further ask, who are the right wing, right wing of what, and what do you think this extreme right wing believes in? Nazi’s, communists, socialists, skin heads, revolutionaries, racists, knuckleheads, terrorists, democrats, Antifa, and fascists, are all left wingers and points out the extreme irony of the Antifa movement.


37 posted on 09/13/2017 6:58:53 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: wita

In one post you say I’m uneducated and in another you ask to explain what may be no more than a convention.

Before I do so, let’s just recognize that I am not uneducated. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

I can be persuaded that the political spectrum isn’t well described for all purposes, as linear. There are, for example, multiple dimensions such as economic issues and social issues.

Fascism and Nazism, during the 1930s, were viewed back then as left, and now they as viewed as right. Yet, how could they be right-wing if free-markets are right-wing? Ditto the KKK. They used to be the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party, how are they now extreme right-wing?

In the case of the Falangists (Hispanic fascists) we have a more or less continuous lineage. So, we can see the evolution. Back in the 1930s, falangism was anti-capitalist as well as anti-communist. It was a third way. But, nowadays, fascism is considered on the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falangism

The converse is the case with the Vestre (literally, “Left”) parties of Scandinavia. At the time they were formed, they were opposed to the nobility and the established church, and promoted democracy and individual rights. That was a long time ago. Today, Vestre is considered center-right because they favor individual rights and market-oriented economies.

So, here is how I make sense of all this:

What we call right and left are slowly-changing coalitions of what the founders of this country called “factions” in Federalist #10. In the U.S., this currently has conservative Christians and some other people of faith along with free-market economics, those believing in law and order and a strong national defense, and those believing that nations - and this nation in particular - serve a useful purpose.

The other side has people inclined toward socialism, secular beliefs, permissiveness, and global governance. Strangely, Muslims are on the left, being as they are strongly religious, because the Christians are on the right. This is a bad fit. There are other bad fits, on both sides.

So the political spectrum is useful enough for almost all voters as we move from one election to another, but it imbeds internal contradictions and over time it is subject to change.

As to why evil people are considered to be on one side or the other, is a legitimate question. The Aryan Nation is a prison gang, arising to enable whites to survive in environments where blacks and hispanics have their own prison gangs. These people aren’t even eligible to vote (except in Virginia, where Terry McAulliffe says being a felon has nothing to do with voting).

Here is a nice theory that “explains” why these violent people are considered part of the political spectrum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory


38 posted on 09/13/2017 7:45:31 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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