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California should phase out gas-powered cars
The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 8, 2017 | Janelle London

Posted on 08/08/2017 10:43:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

California is a global environmental leader, but it’s falling behind in one key respect: phasing out gasoline cars. Germany, India, Norway and the Netherlands are moving to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by or before 2030, and France and the United Kingdom by 2040.

Here’s why California should join that list. It would:

Fight climate change: Every gallon of gas burned emits 20 pounds of carbon dioxide, the main driver of climate change. Transportation is our biggest source of carbon emissions. Shifting to electric vehicles today would cut tailpipe carbon emissions to zero, and total carbon emissions by 75 percent. Why? Because our electricity is clean and getting cleaner. Today, 27 percent of California’s electricity comes from clean, renewable sources like sun and wind. By law, 50 percent of electricity must come from renewables by 2030, and a pending bill would require 100 percent renewable electricity by 2045.

Improve our health: Vehicle emissions are the country’s largest source of air pollution, causing 53,000 premature deaths a year, and increasing the risks of asthma, lung disease and cancers — especially in children and the 4 in 10 Californians living near busy roads. Annually, health impacts from vehicle emissions cost California $15 billion.

Create jobs, lift the economy, increase energy independence: Moving from gas cars to electric vehicles would create an estimated 100,000 additional jobs in California by 2030. Tesla’s factory alone will employ 9,300 with the expansion of the Model 3. Electrification would move dollars from crude oil (mostly imported from OPEC countries and Alaska) to the domestic economy.

California is ready to phase out gas-powered cars because:

The technology is here: Tesla models and the Chevy Bolt already have a range of 220 to 335 miles per charge. Ford is developing a 300-mile range SUV....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; california; climatechange; electricity; energy; gasoline; globalwarming
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And Tractors and Semi Trucks and Airplanes and mass transport Busses. Wheee! We are back in the 18th century. Progress.


41 posted on 08/09/2017 3:34:45 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do it - effective immediately!


42 posted on 08/09/2017 3:46:15 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

That’s the thing about these people, they’re not even smart enough to follow their battery operated cars power cord back to where the electricity that recharges it goes.


43 posted on 08/09/2017 3:54:50 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: MortMan

Octane is C_8H_18 - that would be 84%.
Gasoline is a mixture of other hydrocarbons though.


44 posted on 08/09/2017 3:59:08 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The technology is here: Tesla models and the Chevy Bolt already have a range of 220 to 335 miles per charge. Ford is developing a 300-mile range SUV....

What about measuring time traveled? Can Tesla and Bolt refill in under five minutes? The tech will add an hour for every 250 miles traveled. a four hour drive becomes a five hour drive.

-PJ

45 posted on 08/09/2017 4:07:36 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go ahead. And you want to build new power stations either?

Pass the popcorn.


46 posted on 08/09/2017 4:11:17 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: The Westerner

It’s an attempt to control and limit freedom. The same as it ever was on the Left.


47 posted on 08/09/2017 4:14:24 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Fai Mao

Increase weight by adding oxygen. C=12 H=1 O=16. Use octane as the formula for gas. A gallon of gas weights 7 lb so it’s 83% carbon or 5.8 lb C. Each 12 pounds of carbon theoretically adds two oxygen or 32 lb. so a gallon of gas adds 15.4 lb O for about 20 lb.

Did y’all skip chemistry in high school?


48 posted on 08/09/2017 4:18:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I keep seeing a Chevy Volt parked on the front lawn of a farm house in rural SE Michigan with a “For Sale” sign on it. The current owner would probably not want to admit to being a “motivated seller”.


49 posted on 08/09/2017 4:25:39 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: epluribus_2

You make a good point about heavy machinery. They wouldn’t be able to repair the Oroville spillway if all the equipment was battery operated..


50 posted on 08/09/2017 4:26:49 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Fai Mao

It’s magic! Just like how the power grid would magically be able to handle the load of eveyone charging electric cars...


51 posted on 08/09/2017 4:27:44 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s time for California to close the doors, turn out the lights and put up the closed for business signs. They have rolled in the Unicorn poop on the fantasy farm.


52 posted on 08/09/2017 5:27:39 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Every gallon of gas burned emits 20 pounds of carbon dioxide, the main driver of climate change.”

Ignorance


53 posted on 08/09/2017 6:27:00 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: dila813

Good News and Bad News.

Good- we now produce enough electricity for all. Bad news- we ran out of food. All the land is covered with windmills and the land is polluted from all the batteries being made.

The batteries from one electric powered car produces the same CO2 and pollution as driving a gas powered car for 8 yrs.


54 posted on 08/09/2017 6:50:10 AM PDT by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: Political Junkie Too
a four hour drive becomes a five hour drive.

If you make infrequent road trips, a hour out of your day may not be so bad for some people. The Bolt isn't a practical road car because of the slower quick charging. It is about half as fast as a Tesla supercharging. Trip times will vary depending on weather conditions and charging availability. From what I've read, Tesla supercharging stalls don't all operate at the full charging rate when completely full. A full 8 stall station will only provide a full charge rate to 4 cars, and a reduced rate for the other 4. Once a car leaves, the car next to it gets the full charge rate.

55 posted on 08/09/2017 6:51:55 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: EVO X
It has the effect of making the world a much bigger place.

If all one does is local commuting and stays within a small radius of home, then these cars might be okay.

But if one likes to do day-trips on the weekends, maybe travel the beach or the lake or the hills, then everything changes.

This is probably the behavioral lifestyle change that the Left wants, to reduce the horizon of Americans, to make them more homebound and less adventurous by taking away their fast cars with large gas tanks that let them travel large distances for hours.

This has always been one of the great differentiators between the United States and Europe. I once had a friend from The Netherlands (pre-EU) who told me, "If you traveled for more than an hour, you stayed overnight." Some of that was due to their high gas prices and the costs of owning a car. I think the social behavioral influence was the fact that Europe was small sovereign nations where you mostly traveled only within your nation's border. The Europeans that I met back then marveled at the vast expanse of the United States, and how the people freely traveled large distances where everything looked the same (McDonalds, etc.)

Moving to all-electric cars would make the United States a much more provincial nation if long-distance travel becomes an inconvenient hassle.

-PJ

56 posted on 08/09/2017 7:06:05 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I didn’t know Chevy made a Bolt? Well their cars do use bolts! Isn’t it a Volt? lol


57 posted on 08/09/2017 7:08:03 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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To: from occupied ga
Increase weight by adding oxygen. C=12 H=1 O=16. Use octane as the formula for gas. A gallon of gas weights 7 lb so it’s 83% carbon or 5.8 lb C. Each 12 pounds of carbon theoretically adds two oxygen or 32 lb. so a gallon of gas adds 15.4 lb O for about 20 lb.

I went a different route. Average fuel/air ratio in combustion process is about 1 part fuel, 13 parts air by weight. Atmosphere = 21% Oxygen. .21 x 13 = 2.73.
Gasoline weight 6.073 pounds per U.S. gallon, times 89 octane - 5.4 pounds of combustion fuel.
Since modern engines burn very efficiently, I just went 100% burn and came up with (1 fuel unit + 2.73 oxygen units) x 5.4 pounds to get 20.142 pounds of C.

58 posted on 08/09/2017 7:09:41 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Transportation is our biggest source of carbon emissions. Shifting to electric vehicles today would cut tailpipe carbon emissions to zero”

This is a GREAT IDEA and I fully support it, but I think we need to Start Today. The Legislature and the Governor BOTH have the Authority to get this bump started fast and show the World what good people they are. What we need right now is PEACE!

Public Employee Anti Carbon Emission Act.

All persons that can be classified as a “Public Employee” shall be Forbidden from using ANY means of Transportation that emits Carbon of any kind for their commute to and from their respective work location.

Any “public employee” found to be in violation of this law, Shall be guilty of a Felony, punishable by a Mandatory 2 years sentence in State Prison.

PEACE


59 posted on 08/09/2017 7:12:38 AM PDT by eyeamok (Idle hands are the Devil's workshop)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I predict they will never be able to do it. None of these people seem to understand that there will be more demand on electric power and how will it be met? Power companies have to plan years in advance on what demand will be.

So you can’t build enough Nuclear power plants and there will not be enough through wind and solar.

What I don’t hear anything about is utilizing Natural Gas for Compressed Natural Gas engines, they are proven and have been around awhile. We have enough natural gas reserves for almost another 1000 years.

Also they have yet to break the barrier on battery technology for driving distance and ultra fast recharging stations.


60 posted on 08/09/2017 7:17:11 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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